Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

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Much like Corbyn is to Momentum, Watson is to Corbyn: a useful idiot.
To be fair to Watson, there have been regular reports for 18 month to 2 years that he has clashed with Corbyn and Milne over this (and other issues) and has often been "accidentally not invited" or outright excluded from a number of meetings. And a number of the names on that list of quotes published by Guido have been speaking up about the antisemitism for a good long while.

But that does nothing but confirm they are all effectively useless at solving problems. Any problems. And they wish to be seen as the party of Government (a job that involves NOTHING but solving problems...)
 
A Corbyn style government is not the end goal of the communists. He is considered useful in setting the conditions to conduct purges within the party The following was found on the CPGB website:
  1. Our position on the Corbyn leadership of the Labour Party was worked out in advance – that is, well before his actual election – and with far greater foresight and precision than any other campaign, committee, group or party on the left. We are committed to the complete transformation of the Labour Party, forging it into a permanent united front of the working class and equipping it with solid Marxist principles and a tried and tested Marxist leadership.

  2. Whatever the idiot rightwing press, Tory ERGers and Tom Watson’s Future Britain say, Corbyn is no Marxist. He is, in fact, a sincere, but weak, badly advised, dithering left reformist. True, Corbyn and his closest allies have a record of opposing imperialist wars and adventures, standing in solidarity with striking workers and voting against Tory attacks on migrants, democratic rights and public services.

  3. However, since his election it has become abundantly clear what the class character of a Corbyn government would be. The Corbyn leadership is committed to reversing austerity, increasing the economic role of the state, repealing some anti-trade union laws and introducing a few minor constitutional reforms. At best that amounts to an illusory attempt to run British capitalism in the interests of the working class. Meanwhile, in the name of For the many, not the few, wage-slavery continues, Britain remains a monarchy, subject to judge-made law, one of the Five Eyes, a core imperialist power, a member of Nato and armed with US-controlled nuclear weapons. To call such a programme “socialist” is to violate the commonly accepted language of the left.

  4. At present, even such a modest change of course is totally unacceptable to the capitalist class. The biggest fear is that a Corbyn-led government would trigger a crisis of expectations and unleash a wave of class struggles. The Labour right would therefore act to prevent the formation of such a government. Associated with that probability there lies the possibility of the monarch calling another candidate for prime minister for an audience at Buckingham Palace. That could result in the formation of a national government.

  5. Nonetheless, a Corbyn-led government cannot be categorically ruled out. But, if it happened, we should expect constitutional and anti-constitutional moves by the privy council, the army, the deep state, etc. Those on the left who downplay such threats, whatever their subjective intentions, constitute themselves as agents of a criminal complacency.

  6. Conceivably, the ruling class could reconcile itself to a Corbyn-led government. But only if: (a) it further denounces its own past and further waters down its own programme; and/or (b) in the event of a dangerous upsurge in popular protests, a major downturn in the world economy or a crash caused by a no-deal Brexit, which temporarily necessitated a left Labour government to serve as the best means of mass deception.

  7. The collapse before the ‘Anti-Zionism equals anti-Semitism’ witch-hunt in the Labour Party is a telling warning sign. The appeasement of the Labour right, the failure to challenge blatant lies, the willingness to see good socialists investigated, suspended, sacked, expelled and publicly traduced cannot be excused. And, where Jeremy Corbyn has been silent, John McDonnell has actually given succour to the witch-hunt. Then there is the truly appalling role played by Jon Lansman and his Momentum organisation – praised by the Zionist Jewish Labour Movement. Note: to their everlasting shame Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell and Diane Abbott supported Lansman’s anti-democratic coup in Momentum.

  8. If the Labour leadership is unable to show elementary solidarity with those targeted by a totally cynical witch-hunt, if the Labour leadership calculates that the bigger cause is served by taking such a course, it has betrayed not only its past: it has betrayed its future. Giving them a platform in the left press, treating them as prestigious sponsors, calling such people ‘comrades’ is no longer in any way acceptable.

  9. We should defend the Corbyn leadership against Tom Watson and Future Britain, the liberal and rightwing media, the Tories, the deep state, etc. By that we mean, first and foremost, defending the conditions in the Labour Party which allow for the rooting of socialist consciousness and the further spread of Marxist ideas.

  10. Our task is to fully empower the Labour Party’s mass membership, open eyes as to the real nature of the Corbyn leadership and bring about the circumstances whereby the Labour Party is thoroughly purged of the pro-capitalist right and the leadership is won by real, not supposed, Marxists.
Caution: You might want to consider carefully before accessing the CPGB page below, which is why the text is copied above, so you don't have to.
Source: Attitude towards the current Labour leadership
 
Watson and his ilk have had their chance. Labour is another party now. He and his acolytes are too scared to move on.
Move on where, unless the more moderate unions break from the Labour Party and take their funding with them

There are the Liberal Democrats, who are neither Liberal or Democratic

I suppose they could join the center left Conservative Party but it would be a bit ironic, still better than staying in the racist anti-Semitic XLW Labour Party
 
A Corbyn style government is not the end goal of the communists. He is considered useful in setting the conditions to conduct purges within the party The following was found on the CPGB website:
  1. Our position on the Corbyn leadership of the Labour Party was worked out in advance – that is, well before his actual election – and with far greater foresight and precision than any other campaign, committee, group or party on the left. We are committed to the complete transformation of the Labour Party, forging it into a permanent united front of the working class and equipping it with solid Marxist principles and a tried and tested Marxist leadership.

  2. Whatever the idiot rightwing press, Tory ERGers and Tom Watson’s Future Britain say, Corbyn is no Marxist. He is, in fact, a sincere, but weak, badly advised, dithering left reformist. True, Corbyn and his closest allies have a record of opposing imperialist wars and adventures, standing in solidarity with striking workers and voting against Tory attacks on migrants, democratic rights and public services.

  3. However, since his election it has become abundantly clear what the class character of a Corbyn government would be. The Corbyn leadership is committed to reversing austerity, increasing the economic role of the state, repealing some anti-trade union laws and introducing a few minor constitutional reforms. At best that amounts to an illusory attempt to run British capitalism in the interests of the working class. Meanwhile, in the name of For the many, not the few, wage-slavery continues, Britain remains a monarchy, subject to judge-made law, one of the Five Eyes, a core imperialist power, a member of Nato and armed with US-controlled nuclear weapons. To call such a programme “socialist” is to violate the commonly accepted language of the left.

  4. At present, even such a modest change of course is totally unacceptable to the capitalist class. The biggest fear is that a Corbyn-led government would trigger a crisis of expectations and unleash a wave of class struggles. The Labour right would therefore act to prevent the formation of such a government. Associated with that probability there lies the possibility of the monarch calling another candidate for prime minister for an audience at Buckingham Palace. That could result in the formation of a national government.

  5. Nonetheless, a Corbyn-led government cannot be categorically ruled out. But, if it happened, we should expect constitutional and anti-constitutional moves by the privy council, the army, the deep state, etc. Those on the left who downplay such threats, whatever their subjective intentions, constitute themselves as agents of a criminal complacency.

  6. Conceivably, the ruling class could reconcile itself to a Corbyn-led government. But only if: (a) it further denounces its own past and further waters down its own programme; and/or (b) in the event of a dangerous upsurge in popular protests, a major downturn in the world economy or a crash caused by a no-deal Brexit, which temporarily necessitated a left Labour government to serve as the best means of mass deception.

  7. The collapse before the ‘Anti-Zionism equals anti-Semitism’ witch-hunt in the Labour Party is a telling warning sign. The appeasement of the Labour right, the failure to challenge blatant lies, the willingness to see good socialists investigated, suspended, sacked, expelled and publicly traduced cannot be excused. And, where Jeremy Corbyn has been silent, John McDonnell has actually given succour to the witch-hunt. Then there is the truly appalling role played by Jon Lansman and his Momentum organisation – praised by the Zionist Jewish Labour Movement. Note: to their everlasting shame Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell and Diane Abbott supported Lansman’s anti-democratic coup in Momentum.

  8. If the Labour leadership is unable to show elementary solidarity with those targeted by a totally cynical witch-hunt, if the Labour leadership calculates that the bigger cause is served by taking such a course, it has betrayed not only its past: it has betrayed its future. Giving them a platform in the left press, treating them as prestigious sponsors, calling such people ‘comrades’ is no longer in any way acceptable.

  9. We should defend the Corbyn leadership against Tom Watson and Future Britain, the liberal and rightwing media, the Tories, the deep state, etc. By that we mean, first and foremost, defending the conditions in the Labour Party which allow for the rooting of socialist consciousness and the further spread of Marxist ideas.

  10. Our task is to fully empower the Labour Party’s mass membership, open eyes as to the real nature of the Corbyn leadership and bring about the circumstances whereby the Labour Party is thoroughly purged of the pro-capitalist right and the leadership is won by real, not supposed, Marxists.
Caution: You might want to consider carefully before accessing the CPGB page below, which is why the text is copied above, so you don't have to.
Source: Attitude towards the current Labour leadership
That looks like it was written by a DaManBugs walt
 
A Corbyn style government is not the end goal of the communists. He is considered useful in setting the conditions to conduct purges within the party The following was found on the CPGB website:
  1. Our position on the Corbyn leadership of the Labour Party was worked out in advance – that is, well before his actual election – and with far greater foresight and precision than any other campaign, committee, group or party on the left. We are committed to the complete transformation of the Labour Party, forging it into a permanent united front of the working class and equipping it with solid Marxist principles and a tried and tested Marxist leadership.

  2. Whatever the idiot rightwing press, Tory ERGers and Tom Watson’s Future Britain say, Corbyn is no Marxist. He is, in fact, a sincere, but weak, badly advised, dithering left reformist. True, Corbyn and his closest allies have a record of opposing imperialist wars and adventures, standing in solidarity with striking workers and voting against Tory attacks on migrants, democratic rights and public services.

  3. However, since his election it has become abundantly clear what the class character of a Corbyn government would be. The Corbyn leadership is committed to reversing austerity, increasing the economic role of the state, repealing some anti-trade union laws and introducing a few minor constitutional reforms. At best that amounts to an illusory attempt to run British capitalism in the interests of the working class. Meanwhile, in the name of For the many, not the few, wage-slavery continues, Britain remains a monarchy, subject to judge-made law, one of the Five Eyes, a core imperialist power, a member of Nato and armed with US-controlled nuclear weapons. To call such a programme “socialist” is to violate the commonly accepted language of the left.

  4. At present, even such a modest change of course is totally unacceptable to the capitalist class. The biggest fear is that a Corbyn-led government would trigger a crisis of expectations and unleash a wave of class struggles. The Labour right would therefore act to prevent the formation of such a government. Associated with that probability there lies the possibility of the monarch calling another candidate for prime minister for an audience at Buckingham Palace. That could result in the formation of a national government.

  5. Nonetheless, a Corbyn-led government cannot be categorically ruled out. But, if it happened, we should expect constitutional and anti-constitutional moves by the privy council, the army, the deep state, etc. Those on the left who downplay such threats, whatever their subjective intentions, constitute themselves as agents of a criminal complacency.

  6. Conceivably, the ruling class could reconcile itself to a Corbyn-led government. But only if: (a) it further denounces its own past and further waters down its own programme; and/or (b) in the event of a dangerous upsurge in popular protests, a major downturn in the world economy or a crash caused by a no-deal Brexit, which temporarily necessitated a left Labour government to serve as the best means of mass deception.

  7. The collapse before the ‘Anti-Zionism equals anti-Semitism’ witch-hunt in the Labour Party is a telling warning sign. The appeasement of the Labour right, the failure to challenge blatant lies, the willingness to see good socialists investigated, suspended, sacked, expelled and publicly traduced cannot be excused. And, where Jeremy Corbyn has been silent, John McDonnell has actually given succour to the witch-hunt. Then there is the truly appalling role played by Jon Lansman and his Momentum organisation – praised by the Zionist Jewish Labour Movement. Note: to their everlasting shame Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell and Diane Abbott supported Lansman’s anti-democratic coup in Momentum.

  8. If the Labour leadership is unable to show elementary solidarity with those targeted by a totally cynical witch-hunt, if the Labour leadership calculates that the bigger cause is served by taking such a course, it has betrayed not only its past: it has betrayed its future. Giving them a platform in the left press, treating them as prestigious sponsors, calling such people ‘comrades’ is no longer in any way acceptable.

  9. We should defend the Corbyn leadership against Tom Watson and Future Britain, the liberal and rightwing media, the Tories, the deep state, etc. By that we mean, first and foremost, defending the conditions in the Labour Party which allow for the rooting of socialist consciousness and the further spread of Marxist ideas.

  10. Our task is to fully empower the Labour Party’s mass membership, open eyes as to the real nature of the Corbyn leadership and bring about the circumstances whereby the Labour Party is thoroughly purged of the pro-capitalist right and the leadership is won by real, not supposed, Marxists.
Caution: You might want to consider carefully before accessing the CPGB page below, which is why the text is copied above, so you don't have to.
Source: Attitude towards the current Labour leadership
In particular this bit:

The appeasement of the Labour right, the failure to challenge blatant lies, the willingness to see good socialists investigated, suspended, sacked, expelled and publicly traduced cannot be excused.
... is a chilling read.

Essentially, no matter how reprehensible the individual or the act, if they are on side they are to be excused all.
 

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Had this been the Tories and them held up to such high levels of ridicule and blame then the sound of their backers slamming the chequebook back in their safes would be deafening. The Labour Party finance backers are the Trades Unions - haven't heard them on this issue, never mind talk of pulling funding.

The hypocrisy runs from the Party leadership through their financial backers down to the grass roots who, if they continue to support Corbyn are supporting his anti Semitic stance. I hope the average man on the Clapham omnibus is penning his thoughts to his MP now.
 
Had this been the Tories and them held up to such high levels of ridicule and blame then the sound of their backers slamming the chequebook back in their safes would be deafening. The Labour Party finance backers are the Trades Unions - haven't heard them on this issue, never mind talk of pulling funding.

The hypocrisy runs from the Party leadership through their financial backers down to the grass roots who, if they continue to support Corbyn are supporting his anti Semitic stance. I hope the average man on the Clapham omnibus is penning his thoughts to his MP now.
Post #38,399 - plus my previous point about Labour actually trading on divisions whilst proclaiming itself to be inclusive.

...remember Sajid Javid being branded a 'coconut' when he was appointed Home Secretary?

You have to remember that to the Left anyone who's non-white who isn't a Labour supporter is fair game. The hypocrisy is breath-taking.
 
Post #38,399 - plus my previous point about Labour actually trading on divisions whilst proclaiming itself to be inclusive.

...remember Sajid Javid being branded a 'coconut' when he was appointed Home Secretary?

You have to remember that to the Left anyone who's non-white who isn't a Labour supporter is fair game. The hypocrisy is breath-taking.
It's the whole Saul Alinsky* thing - create an 'us' and 'them'.

We all know who 'they' are.
We all know what a Jew looks like, what a Tory looks like, what the rich look like - what they think, how they hate 'us'.
Identity politics at its most toxic (not to mention unnecessary).

*Rules For Radicals
 
The Labour Party finance backers are the Trades Unions - haven't heard them on this issue, never mind talk of pulling funding.
Labours NEC is stuffed with senior Trade Union officials. In the absence of any comment to the contrary, the NEC speaks for both the Labour Party and the Trade Unions.
 
Labour are in deep doo-doo over the anti semitism problems in their Party
But they aren't - because their (new) core support is convinced that its all a right wing media smear -

So for their supporters there is no problem Pointing out the issue only furthers the idea its an anti Corbyn campaign .
Which is the other issue If you say Labour has an issue with anti Semitism - the immediate programmed social media response is to decry claims as a smear campaign against Corbyn and Corbyn speaks against anti Semitism.

Furthermore Its obvious its a right wing media smear because nobodies talking about how racist / islamaphobic the Tories are.

Its not hurting Momentum Labour 1 jot with its supporters and if you are an ex Labour voter / a Labour MP who speaks out clearly you were just a red tory.
 
On a good day to bury bad news for the Labour Party, one councillor shows a bit of populism, and plays down the image of Labour being prejudiced

'Hitler had the right idea' claim posted from Labour councillor's Facebook on thread about Travellers

A post claiming "Hitler had the right idea" was made from the Facebook account of a Prestatyn councillor during a discussion about Travellers.

The post, from the account of Cllr Bob Murray, also asked "anyone got any gas canisters?" .
 

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