Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

I shake my head in disbelief.

It is as if the holocaust never happened.

History is repeating itself.
At least I can't imagine Labour being as ruthlessly efficient as the Nazis, hopefully their incompetence will save lives
 

I am apparently a very bad person for finding this amusing.

In my defence would like to make it clear that I dwelt long and hard before posting.

Really belongs amongst the finest works of the Emperor Mong, but since the Twatter entry was about the cunning plans of the Greater Helmsman himself, here will do.
I must confess that when I was a lot younger and had hair we did something similar during a maint day when on exercise in BAOR. The difference was that we had fire extinguishers to hand. But it was fun.

I have no problem with the voting age dropping to 16 providing all other age related adult things are also put at that level. If they are old enough to make the laws then they are old enough to suffer them. Marriage without parental consent, driving, taking out loans, leaving education, being responsible for their actions ( it would be perverse to vote for a party that wanted to bring back the death penalty but not have to suffer the consequences of that change themselves), go to war and possibly died due to your vote, and many more. If they are old enough to understand what they are voting for they are old enough to suffer the consequences of that vote.
 
According to the Times this morning Corby is considering taxing "profits" on first homes. Previously this was only applied to rental or second homes. This will also apply to the "increase on value" of the property!

That'll make Labour popular with every homeowner in the country. Evidently the money raised "will be redistributed to the poorest in society". Yeah, right.

Same old tax and spend party.
The idea is to make people dependant upon the state and with state dependency comes state control. An ideology beloved by the far left.
 
I shake my head in disbelief.

It is as if the holocaust never happened.

History is repeating itself.
Knowing what occurred during the last unpleasantness, and with hindsight, had somebody then murdered Hitler, Goebbels, Kaufmann, Himmler, Göring et al, would that person be judged harshly by people today?

The National Socialist German Workers' Party did not become a monster overnight, it grew from small beginnings.

The Labour Party is:
a) a national party
b) a socialist party
c) a party, supposedly, for the workers
d) a British party

One could argue then that it is a National Socialist British Workers' Party. It also has a problem with anti-Semitism, just like the German one did. This problem has only really occurred in the last few years or so, but from small beginnings...

Now I'm not going to advocate someone going postal on members of the Labour Party, that would be wrong, but just imagine if history does repeat itself and then someone in a 100 years time looking back and saying all the hallmarks were there and questioning why someone didn't do something to stop it.
 

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Yeah, funny that. Baradari, and all that.

Just give your ballot paper to the big man - sorry, community leader - and let him take care of it for you - no need to fill it in first, we'll do that for you...
You missed a bit out!
 
Knowing what occurred during the last unpleasantness, and with hindsight, had somebody then murdered Hitler, Goebbels, Kaufmann, Himmler, Göring et al, would that person be judged harshly by people today?

The National Socialist German Workers' Party did not become a monster overnight, it grew from small beginnings.

The Labour Party is:
a) a national party
b) a socialist party
c) a party, supposedly, for the workers
d) a British party

One could argue then that it is a National Socialist British Workers' Party. It also has a problem with anti-Semitism, just like the German one did. This problem has only really occurred in the last few years or so, but from small beginnings...

Now I'm not going to advocate someone going postal on members of the Labour Party, that would be wrong, but just imagine if history does repeat itself and then someone in a 100 years time looking back and saying all the hallmarks were there and questioning why someone didn't do something to stop it.
Apt you should mention the word 'postal' in your post.
 
If Brexit happens, particularly a "no-Deal" Brexit, the people worst affected will be those on low incomes or no income. Support for Labour will surge and support for the Tories will fall as the lies meet reality head on. The Tories will be screwed. If Brexit doesn't happen, Farage's lot cripple the Tories and they lose.

This is a monumental mess created by the Tories that could well end up with a disintegration of the UK and a communist Labour Party in power. The stupid, stupid sods.
You do realise that it's these 'poor people' who have overwelmingly voted for brexit - precisely because they believe that they are the people who have been most affected by EU immigration.
What did remain do to reassure these people that that wasn't the case?
Remain called them 'racists'.
 
You do realise that it's these 'poor people' who have overwelmingly voted for brexit - precisely because they believe that they are the people who have been most affected by EU immigration.
What did remain do to reassure these people that that wasn't the case?
Remain called them 'racists'.
Succinct and brutally fair.
 
You do realise that it's these 'poor people' who have overwelmingly voted for brexit - precisely because they believe that they are the people who have been most affected by EU immigration.
What did remain do to reassure these people that that wasn't the case?
Remain called them 'racists'.
You do realise that the immigration line is another lie, that the UK could have used numerous powers to limit immigration from the EU - as countries like France & Italy do?

EU law does not provide nationals from other EU Member States with an unlimited right to enter or remain in the UK. Most importantly, the right to live in the UK without any conditions or formalities only lasts for three months. In addition, the right is subject to limitations “on grounds of public policy, public security or public health”. Specifically, the UK retains the right to restrict the freedom of movement and residence of EU citizens and their family members, where their personal conduct represents “a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society” and the home Member State of any expelled EU nationals must allow those nationals to re-enter their territory
Don't mistake "doesn't" with "can't".

The UK Government(s) quite deliberately chose to allow virtually unchecked immigration from the EU. That is not the fault of the EU, it's the fault of Westminster. UK Governments have been very happy to give the impression that the EU was forcing poor little Britain to accept this law or that law when in actual fact it's been a great way for Westminster to get what it wanted and blame someone else. For instance, the EU passed laws about the use of volatile compounds in paints - at the specific instigation of the UK Health & Safety Executive. Now we've got white paint that goes brown in weeks and gloss paint that takes three days to dry. Who gets the blame - the EU.

For Westminster politicians it was great - need to divert attention from a local issue? Roll out a story about the EU. Want to look like a great statesman? Go to an EU leader's meeting and make a great speech that dominates the headlines but doesn't actually do anything. They never believed the anti-EU feelings they were stirring up would come to anything. During the referendum Gove & Johnson used Brexit as a positioning tool for their leadership claims. Both had been positively pro-EU for years until the two months before the vote when suddenly they were for Brexit. Just look at their faces as the Brexit came out live - their arses collapsed live on tv.

People have been lied to. To steal a line from an HBO drama - "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid".
 
You do realise that the immigration line is another lie, that the UK could have used numerous powers to limit immigration from the EU - as countries like France & Italy do.
Yes - but successive governments haven't made any real attempts to limit immigration have they?
whether the eyeties or frogs follow the letter of the law is irrelevant to most people.
it is this simple fact, that you fail to understand.
 
Yes - but successive governments haven't made any real attempts to limit immigration have they?
whether the eyeties or frogs follow the letter of the law is irrelevant to most people.
it is this simple fact, that you fail to understand.
And I pointed out that not limiting immigration was a failure of Westminster, not the EU so why is the solution to throw the toys out the pram and pull out of the EU when all that is really needed is for Westminster to use the EU powers they have and do the job they were elected to do.

The Tories want big immigration numbers so we have a large workforce to keep wages down. Labour want big immigration numbers because immigrants tend to vote Labour. Joe Bloggs on the street can go #### himself because the establishment always gets what it wants
 
You do realise that it's these 'poor people' who have overwelmingly voted for brexit - precisely because they believe that they are the people who have been most affected by EU immigration.
What did remain do to reassure these people that that wasn't the case?
Remain called them 'racists'.
I grew up in a middle class household, but to my parents horror had friends across the class spectrum from the kids of multi millionaires to working class kids

I've grown up to have a healthy respect for the working class, by and large they want to better themselves

It's remainers and lefties that despise them for different reasons, one wants us to dependent on the EU and let Aunty Brussels know best, the other wants us to be dependant on the state and the Great Helmsman knows best

Not a lot in it really, neither believe in freedom, democracy or the British way of life
 
You do realise that the immigration line is another lie, that the UK could have used numerous powers to limit immigration from the EU - as countries like France & Italy do?
Yes, but most importantly, in this field and others, a BREXIT means that Westminster loses that crutch and actually has to do something, or face the electorate.
 

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