Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

Yo, @Mothman !

Look, more free stuff from caring, sharing Socialists:

Corbyn pledges more free childcare

Yours at a once-only price of £4.5bn.

Care to tell us where that lot is coming from?
It works by giving to the people by . . err . . taking from the people.

Unless of course, you're not earning/working then, those who can be bothered are supporting those who can't.

Oh dear . . .

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I laughed my tits off at the McDonnell statement on workers shares crap. Problem is, whether its capped at £500 pp & over extra automatically claimed by HMRC, or whether things remaining at the status quo are fairer for those with shares & dividends, your average thicko who reads the red tops or the has 'elevated' themselves to finger reading the big words in the guardian see's they will possibly get some free money & get some public services re-nationalised & not even bother with the actualities of that happening & the real cost.
 
@Mothman has been and gone and not supplied a source for any investigation in to these claims, so I take it, rather like Corbyns many utterances, its a lie.[/QUOTE]

What a surprise.

Maybe on full and proper consideration it would be very, very difficult to explain how such an "understanding" surrounding an investigation of alleged gross misconduct (if not a Hate Crime as defined and almost certainly a child protection issue and a breach of Statutory Duty by an LEA) by a teacher concerning the incitement of public ridicule and ostracism of a 13 year old child because of their parental occupation and political beliefs comes to be in the public domain.

And who put it there
 
I laughed my tits off at the McDonnell statement on workers shares crap. Problem is, whether its capped at £500 pp & over extra automatically claimed by HMRC, or whether things remaining at the status quo are fairer for those with shares & dividends, your average thicko who reads the red tops or the has 'elevated' themselves to finger reading the big words in the guardian see's they will possibly get some free money & get some public services re-nationalised & not even bother with the actualities of that happening & the real cost.
Nor pick up on the small fact that it only applies to UK companies. You don't need more than a room temperature IQ to work out what inevitably happens next, especially absent the hardest of Brexits: the already agreed parts of the 5 year Brexit Transition allows UK companies to restructure into EU based companies without immediate tax penalty and then operate through UK subsidiaries or branches of the foreign parent.

Foreign companies can and do list on the London Stock Exchange. No listed UK company could however possibly operate via a UK incorporated company.

It's got about much chance of happening as the calls for a General Strike: fantasy politics for the stupid and delusional.
 
I have voted Labour throughout the 90s and the first part of this century. I did not vote for them in the last general election, Corbyn and McDonald are one sandwich short of a full loaf. My biggest political issue remains Brexit, and am convinced our departure from the EU will cause untold damage to our economy, political influence in the world and ultimately everyone's standard of living. So here's the rub, can't stand the Corbyn Labour party but if they offer a second referendum they'll regain a lost Blairite vote. If it had been thought through it would have been a stoke of genius! I'll have to square the rest of it away later, but Brexit and a people's vote will turn me and many like me. Labour 'could win 1.5m more votes' by backing Brexit referendum
 
I have voted Labour throughout the 90s and the first part of this century. I did not vote for them in the last general election, Corbyn and McDonald are one sandwich short of a full loaf. My biggest political issue remains Brexit, and am convinced our departure from the EU will cause untold damage to our economy, political influence in the world and ultimately everyone's standard of living. So here's the rub, can't stand the Corbyn Labour party but if they offer a second referendum they'll regain a lost Blairite vote. If it had been thought through it would have been a stoke of genius! I'll have to square the rest of it away later, but Brexit and a people's vote will turn me and many like me. Labour 'could win 1.5m more votes' by backing Brexit referendum
It's ok. If the next referendum goes remain, the leavers will whinge until there is another one. And so ad infinitum.

With associated impact on the economy.

I would vote for anyone who will unite the country behind the Leave decision and get the best worldwide trade deals possible for the UK. If they can put Sturgeon and Salmond in their place too I will be delighted.
 
I have voted Labour throughout the 90s and the first part of this century. I did not vote for them in the last general election, Corbyn and McDonald are one sandwich short of a full loaf. My biggest political issue remains Brexit, and am convinced our departure from the EU will cause untold damage to our economy, political influence in the world and ultimately everyone's standard of living. So here's the rub, can't stand the Corbyn Labour party but if they offer a second referendum they'll regain a lost Blairite vote. If it had been thought through it would have been a stoke of genius! I'll have to square the rest of it away later, but Brexit and a people's vote will turn me and many like me. Labour 'could win 1.5m more votes' by backing Brexit referendum
Would be helpful then if the Glorious Leader had the faintest clue what his own policy was:

Corbyn Forgets All Six of Labour's 'Brexit Tests' -
 
JC has been in parliament for a long time but, other than his recent promotion, has he ever been
offered a role in cabinet/shadow cabine/being a member of a parliamentary committee? -or has his entire parliamentary life been as a backbencher?
 
I chuckle to myself when you think trade deals are negotiated in weeks or even months...

Corbyn makes me sick to the stomach for the anti Semitism issues, the backing of Adams in the 1980s, and his horrendously business unfriendly stance. Can't stand his core ideology which was discredited surely in 1989. Referendum on the EU with an option to remain... I'll tick the Labour box.
 
JC has been in parliament for a long time but, other than his recent promotion, has he ever been
offered a role in cabinet/shadow cabine/being a member of a parliamentary committee? -or has his entire parliamentary life been as a backbencher?
Backbenches. Hence why when his acolytes bleat about his connections with PIRA & the funerals stuff & it being part of his trying to find a peaceful resolution to the war shite is just that. Shite. No political remit, no political authority. A minor backbencher in a minority of hard core lefttist tossers in a shambolic opposition back in the 80.s
 
It's started. If they don't get a General Election they're calling for a General Strike - Labour MP calls for general strike

And when they lose a General Election (which they will), what next?
I rather like the fact that the BBC feels it must explain what a 'General Strike' is:
"A general strike is when workers from across industries take action collectively in large numbers."
 
I actually don't think Corbyn expected to win the leadership vote. I think the fast mobilisation of Momentum, some version thereof hiding in the labour wings for decades now, they saw an opportunity to seize power with a very strong socialist ideal. Backing a weak leader like Corbyn meant they could get to the top of the PLP in no time at all.

When you compare the time that the New Labour movement spent on building their grass roots & PLP power base through the late 80s & 90's to the fast rise of the labour hard left now there is a disgusting sinister side to it that most 'normal' voters should be very afraid of.
 
I think MaccyD is at odds when saying Labour will renationalise rail, mail, energy and water while remaining in Europe. I would imaagine the EU may have summat to say about that.
Labour are crowing, which they can do, as they are not in a position to nationalise the Girl Guides, nor are they likely to be. If, big 'If', Labour manage to sneak in I would imagine JC will be sent packing in favour of one of the deeper entrenches Socialists. :cool:
 
Hopefully (but no chance in hell in actual fact) there could be a sliding scale of charges for degree courses dependent on their relevance and application.
There should be some real common sense with fee's

How does this reconcile . . .

Annual Fee's for Midwifery at Brookes Uni, Oxford, the source of the vast majority of the Oxford University Hospitals midwifery staff

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with this . .

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Insiders tell me it's not temporary, but will continue sporadically for months due to the lack of staff.

Home births and midwifery-led unit services suspended across county

Undergraduate tuition fees for UK and EU students - Oxford Brookes University
 
That's probably the first thing you've said that I agree with in a very long time. I believe that they should be free + living grant (no loan): UK Plc will more than make up the cost (I'm happy to call it an investment) over a few years of the graduates paying income tax and making more money for the country.
Precisely. It's quite easy to extrapolate what an average engineering/scientific/medical graduate can earn and thus put back in, in the form of taxes. It should be fairly easy to project which courses will lead to a net benefit to public funds
You already do. The fees charged to UK students only cover a fraction of the cost of their courses. The bulk of the cost is paid by the government. That's why universities are so keen on foreign students who can be charged as much as the market will bear.

In my day, 5% went to university and the social class of your parents didn't matter because there was a grant and fees were paid by the government. Now, it's 50%. That's a ten fold increase that the government can't afford to fund. There hasn't been a ten fold increase in the number of graduate jobs nor in the number of people achieving As and Bs at A Level.

The result is that some degrees are worth less than a brace of O-levels were worth in my day. School leavers are encouraged to run up massive debts to obtain these worthless degrees with the promise of a glittering career. In truth, they'd be better going to college for a year or two or taking an apprenticeship.
According to this link we are short of 59000 engineering graduates

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...FjACegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3KRJ3fTgT1yxy1qxmM368z

This is one sector we need to incentivise
 
Look on the bright side. The nuttier they are in opposition, the less likely they are to be elected into government. Parties normally get a boost after their annual conference due to all the publicity. According to the polls Guido published yesterday, Garry Glitter has a better chance of getting a job in a primary school than Jez has of getting in to No 10.
Indeed, I believe the only reasons they did so well at the last election were 1. they obfuscated on Brexit, attracting leave voters too stupid to see their deceit and 2. The tory run up was appalling, almost like they didn't want to win, I mean, bedroom tax and return of fox hunting with dogs FFS!
 
I rather like the fact that the BBC feels it must explain what a 'General Strike' is:
"A general strike is when workers from across industries take action collectively in large numbers."
Whilst failing to explain that such a General Strike would be illegal under current legislation, which strangely would still be in place because no General Election would have taken place that would enable it to be repealed.

And the Shadow Justice Secretary Richard Burgon didn't jump to his feet to give a standing ovation. He just told Talk Radio that.

Maybe he hadn't seen the video which shows him doing just that.
 
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Look on the bright side. The nuttier they are in opposition, the less likely they are to be elected into government. Parties normally get a boost after their annual conference due to all the publicity. According to the polls Guido published yesterday, Garry Glitter has a better chance of getting a job in a primary school than Jez has of getting in to No 10.
He was supposed to be destroyed with a Tory 100 seat majority in 2017. He's been continuously underestimated, electorally.

Like him or loathe him, he's an effective campaigner, having made a career of it
 
So the Marxist cünt that is the Shadow Chancellor has stated that should the people of the UK be stupid enough to vote for a Labour government, he would force all companies with over 250 employees to give 10% of their shares to their workers (to be held in a central pool) at the minimum rate of 1% per annum. Workers would then receive a dividend (the same as other shareholders).

Let’s take an example: Royal Dutch Shell. A nice oil company with 6,300 staff in the UK.
Last year the dividend per share was GBP 0.97 on about GBP 10 billion of profits.
There are 8.22 billion shares in Shell.
Thus the workers’ holding would be 822,000,000 shares.

This gives 130,475 shares per UK employee, and would yield GBP 126,560 per employee per year in dividends (note: dividends can go up as well as down). Now extrapolate that across all the companies in the UK that pay out a total of hundreds of billions of pounds each year in dividends. That’s rather a lot of cash.
How much would that be paid out to the workers from just the top 100 companies (just the publicly traded ones)? Answer: GBP 8.622 billion pounds. Per year.

Nice eh? Power to the workers!

What was that? Labour would put in a GBP 500 cap per employee and the rest would be sent to the tax man? Say it ain’t so!

So each Shell worker would get GBP 500 (under current rules this would be tax free unless the worker has share dividend income in excess of GBP 2,000 from other sources). The tax man gets GBP 794,182,725. This is on top of the corporate taxes and all the other duties and taxes paid by Shell last year.

So why is it a BAD IDEA? Because all the large companies would move out of the UK the next day and maintain a minimal (if any) presence in the UK. Because no-one will invest in the UK if they know that the idiot Labour people will steal 10% of their dividends on top of the corporate tax (which Labour have already said that they will increase to over 35%). This would also further devastate pension funds (which Gordon ‘Cycloptic ****’ Brown did his best to destroy). Also: has a Labour government ever introduced a tax and left it at that rate? Anyone? Answer: no. Their tax rate has been increased on every tax in every Labour government.

Thinking about voting Labour? Think about a life on the dole in a cold and wet version of Venezuela or Zimbabwe: if you want Labour go and live in Venezuela. John McDonnell: a stupid and dangerous Marxist twat.
I listened to an interview on R4 this morning (I can't remember the MP's name) it gets worse. They propose a cap on executive pay, anything that exceeds this will be taken by the HMRC.
A totally unenforceable policy which will only damage business.
 

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