Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

Because hedgehog rescue needs investigating and you target the stephen lawrence campaign that got started because the met fucked up a simple murder investigation because the chief detective was corrupt less protecting citizens more trying to cover their own arses
Given the terrorist actions, criminal damage, acts and threats of violence - hate campaigns conducted by the Animal Liberation Front and its cronies - I think its only right they were kept an eye on - they may not have been a threat to the state - but there actions were a threat to safety and lives of others
 
Isn't life strange. A few years ago Labour MPs and potential MPs thought the Tories were their enemy! How things change! :twisted:
I can't for the life of me where I heard it but after the last GE and new Labour MP took his seat in the House he remarked to a fellow MP beside him "Good to get a clear view of the enemy at last" as he pointed at the Tory benches opposite. His companion replied "No, that's the government, the enemy is down there" as he indicated below to the labour front bench.
 

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Whether one likes Labour or not, Frank Field is or has been in my mind a good, solid Labour MP. How this lot can think different astounds me.

Unless, of course, they’re not Labour themselves... ;-)
Some Labour(Momentum) activists have long memories. From FF's wiki

Field was educated at St Clement Danes School, then in Hammersmith, before studying economics at the University of Hull. In his youth he was a member of the Conservative Party, but left in 1960 because of his opposition to Apartheid in South Africa[5][6] and joined the Labour Party.[7] In 1964, he became a further education teacher in Southwark and Hammersmith.[8]
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Its an intresting arguement with few very notable exceptions most people vote on party lines I can name my mp just most people cant so mps are eminantly replaceable. The so called moderates have continued the fight against are dear leader long after it was lost regardless of his popularity and now discovering the continued booming membership is getting tired of their shit.
The problem is, the dear leader needs the so called moderates to get elected. Despite what happened in the last election, the electorate will not vote to install a communist government in this country. Lefty Labour will die if it kills off moderate Labour in the same way that a tape worm will die if it kills off its host.

The leaders of previous hard left intifadas were defeated by their own delusions. Derek Hatton and Militant in the 1980s thought they could start a revolution by running Liverpool into the ground and blaming the Tories. Arthur Scargill thought he and his miners were so fekkin' hard that they could bring down the state by force. Up until the 1950s the Communist party thought they could turn Britain into East Germany by winning elections.

Jeremy and New Old Labour are not quite as daft as they seem. Momentum, the inner party, are extremely politically savvy and well organised, possibly more so than the Tories. Jeremy has been their useful idiot but he has united the hard left under a single flag.

The anti-Semitism and deranged economic policies are hurting Labour but the nightmare scenario for the real party leaders is a schism where the moderates form a new centre left party. Labour might split due to ideological differences. They will definitely split if enough moderate MPs are deselected and their only way back in to Parliament is by forming a new party. If that happens, Jeremy & Co will return to the back benches and Momentum will be back selling Socialist Worker outside pubs at chucking out time.
 
I think helping to prop up may up in brexit vote was the end he jumped before hecwas pushed.
Given the terrorist actions, criminal damage, acts and threats of violence - hate campaigns conducted by the Animal Liberation Front and its cronies - I think its only right they were kept an eye on - they may not have been a threat to the state - but there actions were a threat to safety and lives of others

Actual violent criminals one thing crack on thats your job.

Steven Lawrence campaign that only got started because the police fucked up not violent not criminal. Still spied on.

The anti semitism row is pushed by the dead sea predestination fan club as they cant face a british pm who doesnt think israel should continue running a ******* ghetto
 
Given the terrorist actions, criminal damage, acts and threats of violence - hate campaigns conducted by the Animal Liberation Front and its cronies - I think its only right they were kept an eye on - they may not have been a threat to the state - but there actions were a threat to safety and lives of others
Having spent my late childhood and most of my teens checking under my father's car every morning because he had received direct and personal threats from ALF and others due to his involvement with hunting and field sports I am very pleased that there was an operation to find and arrest the murderous terrorist bastards.

******* tried to kill my dog as well.
 

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Having spent my late childhood and most of my teens checking under my father's car every morning because he had received direct and personal threats from ALF and others due to his involvement with hunting and field sports I am very pleased that there was an operation to find and arrest the murderous terrorist bastards.

******* tried to kill my dog as well.
Nice of your Dad to get you to check the car! :p
 

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... the same Labour activists who claim to have taken such a strong stand on Apartheid, but whom the ANC don't really remember being around at the time and who were actually viewed as a bit of an unhelpful pest?
Could be! :D
 
Nice of your Dad to get you to check the car! :p
He showed me how because we lived at the hunt kennels at the time and the harsh fact was that we all had to be very aware.

Quite ironic once when they came onto the site late one night and sprayed glue into all the vehicle locks. Prevented the vet who rented one of the cottages up there from getting to a RTA involving some deer and a lorry - the deer both died rather slowly at the roadside as a result of no vet available.

The local coppers (still had a proper beat Bobby assigned to the villages then) knew who it was and paid her and her vile brood of children a visit and pointed out what had happened even though they couldn't pin the criminal damage on her.
 
I listened to Mr McDonnell being interviewed this morning.
He was explaining the "worker involvement" scheme Labour are going to implement.
Apparently, over time (10 years?), companies will be required to give shares to their employees up to a maximum of 10%.
The shares will be held "centrally" on behalf of them and they will receive dividends, to a maximum of £500. Any excess will go to government funds.
What could possibly go wrong?
Isn't that just a stealth tax? Also is that total of shares to 10%, or each worker gets up to 10%? Does he even know, and has he thought this idea through in a critical way? Find out tomorrow in the next exciting episode of Car Crash news stories!
 
I listened to Mr McDonnell being interviewed this morning.
He was explaining the "worker involvement" scheme Labour are going to implement.
Apparently, over time (10 years?), companies will be required to give shares to their employees up to a maximum of 10%.
The shares will be held "centrally" on behalf of them and they will receive dividends, to a maximum of £500. Any excess will go to government funds.
What could possibly go wrong?
Seems perfectly fair to me, perhaps the workers should take turns being the CEO and/or Chairman too.

Ah the Trot grasp of business and economics !!!!

However on reflection it really doesn't matter if Comrade McDonnell believes this or not there is a good chance some of electorate will, cynical much?

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Given the terrorist actions, criminal damage, acts and threats of violence - hate campaigns conducted by the Animal Liberation Front and its cronies - I think its only right they were kept an eye on - they may not have been a threat to the state - but there actions were a threat to safety and lives of others
And still are.
Dunno what hedgehog rescue has in common with placing UVIEDs or incendiaries in charity shops though?
Google Barry Horne and Prof. Max Headley, certainly nothing about hedgehogs on either entry, just terrorism.
 
Isn't that just a stealth tax? Also is that total of shares to 10%, or each worker gets up to 10%? Does he even know, and has he thought this idea through in a critical way? Find out tomorrow in the next exciting episode of Car Crash news stories!
1% of the total amount of shares given to the workforce per year with a cap after ten years, so theoretical 10% of the total over time. Quite how that is fair to new employees after the 10 yr point, who won’t be entitled to any shares isn’t clear at all. But let’s not bother with piffling details like that!

So to sum up, it’s another badly and not fully thought through plan not based in any form of reality.
 
1% of the total amount of shares given to the workforce per year with a cap after ten years, so theoretical 10% of the total over time. Quite how that is fair to new employees after the 10 yr point, who won’t be entitled to any shares isn’t clear at all. But let’s not bother with piffling details like that!

So to sum up, it’s another badly and not fully thought through plan not based in any form of reality.
Another thought, what's that going to do to companies like John Lewis who already do that sort of thing? What happens when the company asks its shareholders for an injection of cash (I forget the official term for it)?
 

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