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Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

No, it just shows the level of delusion. If Corbyn loses, it’s because the malevolent apparatus currently in place has conspired to make it so, rather than - gasp - more people voted for someone else with ideas which are different to his.

The latter simply can’t be given a level playing field, as he and his are right. Therefore, something evil has transpired to take the good, honest vote of the proletariat away from him.

This inability to think in anything other than absolute terms is why we’ve got what’s happening in Labour now.
An actual level playing field would **** Labour for good. Anyone giving odds on the Boundary Commission's recommendations actually being carried out?
 
No, it just shows the level of delusion. If Corbyn loses, it’s because the malevolent apparatus currently in place has conspired to make it so, rather than - gasp - more people voted for someone else with ideas which are different to his.
That's always been the way. Lefties have never been able to accept that people wont vote for political extremists. There's always some other reason for the failure of hard left parties and soft left governments.

Chris Mullin was a hard left MP and the Jeremy Corbyn of his day. Like Jeremy, Chris stood for election as leader of the Labour party. He failed and faded into obscurity.

In 1982, Mullin wrote a novel called A Very British Coup. It was a sort of political fantasy about the government lefties dreamed of in the 60s and 70s. Ultra Left, council flat dwelling trade union leader somehow gets elected as Labour PM.

Of course, MI5, the Tories and the rest of the left's pantheon of evil spring into action, to thwart the people's champion. Even the benevolent assistance of the comrades in Moscow fails to save us as the Peoples' Democratic Republic of Britain collapses around the ears of the National Executive Committee, and the PM's local Miners' Club runs out of beer.

Extremists, whether far lefties, far right or even religious nutters, truly believe that their ideology represents perfection in social and economic development. Their brains simply can't conceive of the fact that other people might disagree with them.

To some extent, this is seen in the attitude of those who were in the Blair and Brown governments. First run on a bank since Victorian times - Nothing to do with us mate. Economic collapse - Maggie's fault. Thousands dying in NHS hospitals - privatisation. Socialism is perfect comrade. Nothing bad can come from a socialist government. Accept responsibility for nothing.

A Very British Coup was made into a mini-series in the 1980s. It's available on the Channel 4 web site. There was a more recent remake called Secret State that is less true to Mullin's book.
 
Hard to believe that lop-sided, jug-eared misery with a receding chin was an example of the "master race" isn't it?
Amon Göth was never any sort of master. Like many senior Nazis, he was one of life's failures. Amon failed earlier than most, dropping out of college when he was still a teenager.

At the end of the war Göth was being prosecuted by the SS for embezzlement from the concentration camp that he commanded. I'm no psychologist but stealing from the most murderous bunch of psychopaths in history probably indicates that Göth was not burdened by the ravages of intellect. The advancing allies rescued Amon from an SS firing squad only to send him to a Polish gallows for his war crimes.

The Nazis seemed to attract a certain type. Compare Amon to some other senior party members:-

Karl-Otto Koch
Commander of Buchenwald concentration camp where prisoners' skin was made into lamp shades. Unemployed when he joined the Nazi party in 1931. Like Amon Göth, Koch was caught embezzling money from his camp. He was executed by the SS.

Heinrich Himmler
Head of the SS. Something of a serial Walt, joining a paramilitary dressing up society after repeated failures to join the army. Joined the Nazi party after failing to complete his degree at university. Failed as a farm manager. Rapidly descended into insanity involving devil worship, worship of Hitler as a god and wearing outlandish outfits involving winged helmets when he thought nobody was looking. Dispatched SS teams worldwide to seek the Holy Grail and the Ark of the Covenant, Indiana Jones style.

Adolf Eichmann
Responsible for transporting Jews to the camps during the Holocaust. Failed high school and failed a subsequent apprenticeship. Unemployed when he became a full time Nazi party worker. Later determined to be a compensated psychopath, sometimes known as a white collar psychopath. Eichmann really was just obeying orders and he saw nothing wrong in obeying orders to murder people in their millions.

Adolf Hitler
The Führer himself. Failed to finish high school. Failed painter, twice rejected for art school. Failed revolutionary who tried to bring down the government while dressed in lederhosen. Like so many of his followers, Hitler became a full time employee of the Nazi party while unemployed, in his case he was also homeless after being demobbed following WW1. Full on batsh1t mental. Diagnosed with a smorgasbord of mental illnesses and personality disorders including schizophrenia and manic depression. Thanks to his doctor, Adolph was a hopeless junkie by the end of the war, addicted to just about everything addictive. Allegedly a pervert who liked having women pee on him.

The common theme with that lot, and many more prominent Nazis, is failure early in life, varying degrees of mental illness and becoming a Nazi as a last resort when nobody else would employ them. The Nazi party allowed those devoid of talent to progress in a career simply by demonstrating blind loyalty and unswerving obedience.

Master race my arrse.
 
Amon Göth was never any sort of master. Like many senior Nazis, he was one of life's failures. Amon failed earlier than most, dropping out of college when he was still a teenager.

At the end of the war Göth was being prosecuted by the SS for embezzlement from the concentration camp that he commanded. I'm no psychologist but stealing from the most murderous bunch of psychopaths in history probably indicates that Göth was not burdened by the ravages of intellect. The advancing allies rescued Amon from an SS firing squad only to send him to a Polish gallows for his war crimes.

The Nazis seemed to attract a certain type. Compare Amon to some other senior party members:-

Karl-Otto Koch
Commander of Buchenwald concentration camp where prisoners' skin was made into lamp shades. Unemployed when he joined the Nazi party in 1931. Like Amon Göth, Koch was caught embezzling money from his camp. He was executed by the SS.

Heinrich Himmler
Head of the SS. Something of a serial Walt, joining a paramilitary dressing up society after repeated failures to join the army. Joined the Nazi party after failing to complete his degree at university. Failed as a farm manager. Rapidly descended into insanity involving devil worship, worship of Hitler as a god and wearing outlandish outfits involving winged helmets when he thought nobody was looking. Dispatched SS teams worldwide to seek the Holy Grail and the Ark of the Covenant, Indiana Jones style.

Adolf Eichmann
Responsible for transporting Jews to the camps during the Holocaust. Failed high school and failed a subsequent apprenticeship. Unemployed when he became a full time Nazi party worker. Later determined to be a compensated psychopath, sometimes known as a white collar psychopath. Eichmann really was just obeying orders and he saw nothing wrong in obeying orders to murder people in their millions.

Adolf Hitler
The Führer himself. Failed to finish high school. Failed painter, twice rejected for art school. Failed revolutionary who tried to bring down the government while dressed in lederhosen. Like so many of his followers, Hitler became a full time employee of the Nazi party while unemployed, in his case he was also homeless after being demobbed following WW1. Full on batsh1t mental. Diagnosed with a smorgasbord of mental illnesses and personality disorders including schizophrenia and manic depression. Thanks to his doctor, Adolph was a hopeless junkie by the end of the war, addicted to just about everything addictive. Allegedly a pervert who liked having women pee on him.

The common theme with that lot, and many more prominent Nazis, is failure early in life, varying degrees of mental illness and becoming a Nazi as a last resort when nobody else would employ them. The Nazi party allowed those devoid of talent to progress in a career simply by demonstrating blind loyalty and unswerving obedience.

Master race my arrse.
I wouldn't want to suggest for a moment that the current bunch of mediocrities are... oh, never mind.
 
The common theme with that lot, and many more prominent Nazis, is failure early in life, varying degrees of mental illness and becoming a Nazi as a last resort when nobody else would employ them. The Nazi party allowed those devoid of talent to progress in a career simply by demonstrating blind loyalty and unswerving obedience.
Sounds very much like Momentum
 
Sounds very much like Momentum
That's a very good point that you and Cold_Collation make.

I think many Nazis joined up to be rescued from failed jobs, failed careers and even failed lives. Plenty of them were literally on the streets and wrecked by mental illness, possibly PTSD as a result of experiences in WW1. Like tramps queueing up at a church-run soup kitchen, they will profess to be true believers to escape from starvation.

Momentum is different. People don't starve any more if they're unemployed. As it's not legally a political party, Momentum don't have to publish data about salaried officers but I bet they don't have more than a handful of employees.

I suspect that Momentum is stuffed with true believers who don't quite know what it is they believe in. Rather than being paid by the "party" they'll be parting with their hard earned student loans and welfare benefits in order to bring justice, equality and free tampons to the world. Much easier than having to get up before noon, especially if you've got a credit card.
 
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Odd isn't it,

Clement Attlee: Cold War records reveal new side to popular prime minister

In the course of a lifetime, we went from a Labour PM who utterly understood the need to defend the realm; to (imho) spoilt children who are not fit to make the hard choices necessary.

You'd think having an unarmed police officer murdered literally on their doorstep, MP's would have actually grasped the reality of the world and the need to defend our way of life.

But no.

 
Heinrich Himmler
Head of the SS. Something of a serial Walt, joining a paramilitary dressing up society after repeated failures to join the army. Joined the Nazi party after failing to complete his degree at university. Failed as a farm manager. Rapidly descended into insanity involving devil worship, worship of Hitler as a god and wearing outlandish outfits involving winged helmets when he thought nobody was looking. Dispatched SS teams worldwide to seek the Holy Grail and the Ark of the Covenant, Indiana Jones style.

Master race my arrse.
On that, this was a great read. The SS expedition to Tibet.

Himmler's Crusade: The Nazi Expedition to Find the Origins of the Aryan Race by Christopher Hale

This is somewhere j have always wanted to visit

Castle of Wewelsburg

Himmler's attempt to launch his new German order of chivalry, at Wewelsberg castle.

If anyone has been there and can let me know what it is actually like, I would be grateful.
 

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Jezza seems to have been a bad boy and not declared having his well publicised trips to support terrorists paid for.

‘He’s s**t SCARED’ - Jeremy Corbyn’s team fear he will be SUSPENDED from Parliament

Labour's NEC are now worried he could be suspended from parliament because of this non-declaration.

It is notable that the NEC, now controlled by Momentum, are not so much worried about a suspension but that it would leave Deputy Leader Tom Watson in charge! The NEC are now working hard to take all power away from the Deputy Leader in to their own hands!

Anyone in their right mind who continues to support this group calling themselves Labour really needs to have a good talk to themselves.

The Labour Party is dead in the water, soon to be dead completely!
 
The socialist Labour party's flagship policy is "re-nationalisation" as they go to their party conference. When I look back at the nationalised industries and utilities of Britain through the 1960s to 1980s I see a salutary lesson that it did not work last time. With calls for an early election already being made, The electorate and wider nations of the United Kingdom need to consider that and mull on the alternatives.
 
. . . talking of which:

"The rail industry could be completely renationalised within five years if Labour wins the next election, the shadow chancellor has suggested.

John McDonnell said he was looking at whether break clauses in contracts could allow rail franchises to be taken into public hands before they expired.

He is planning to create a new unit in the Treasury to oversee the party's wider nationalisation plans.

It would advise on issues such as possible compensation for shareholders. . . "


Ah, well, that's alright, then.

Or is it?

"Typically, investors would be compensated and Labour would follow legal advice, Mr McDonnell said.

But he added: "There might be some factors in relation to some operations of PFIs in particular that could be brought forward that says actually there is no compensatory arrangements needed here."

Which might come as a bit of an unpleasant surprise to some the Union pension funds.

Labour 'could nationalise rail in five years'
 
This is somewhere j have always wanted to visit

Castle of Wewelsburg

Himmler's attempt to launch his new German order of chivalry, at Wewelsberg castle.

If anyone has been there and can let me know what it is actually like, I would be grateful.
I was there a few years back. Recollection’s a bit rusty, but here goes.

Unfortunately, I didn’t get inside the castle itself as it was closed for some reason, even though it was a weekday in June (well worth pre-checking admission times). Externally, at least, it’s certainly an impressive building. Part of it is now a youth hostel (the Jugend bit chilling the spine a little). There’s an excellent (and grim) two-storey(?) museum of the SS opposite the castle, with at least some of the explanatory boards in English as well as German. I was disappointed to be unable to get into the Schloss, and I must give it another go when next in that part of Germany. Definitely recommended.
 

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. . . talking of which:

"The rail industry could be completely renationalised within five years if Labour wins the next election, the shadow chancellor has suggested.

John McDonnell said he was looking at whether break clauses in contracts could allow rail franchises to be taken into public hands before they expired.

He is planning to create a new unit in the Treasury to oversee the party's wider nationalisation plans.

It would advise on issues such as possible compensation for shareholders. . . "

Ah, well, that's alright, then.

Or is it?

"Typically, investors would be compensated and Labour would follow legal advice, Mr McDonnell said.

But he added: "There might be some factors in relation to some operations of PFIs in particular that could be brought forward that says actually there is no compensatory arrangements needed here."

Which might come as a bit of an unpleasant surprise to some the Union pension funds.

Labour 'could nationalise rail in five years'
i find that sort of thing both amazing and terrifying. It's been an established fact that the rule of law is vital to economic prosperity since at least the early 1800s. Without it people do not invest in enterprise and business as doing so allows governments to basically steal your profits at a whim. For proof see virtually all of africa, South America and quite a bit of the central Asian republics region. Lesser example being Russia.
 
interesting story in the express ‘He’s s**t SCARED’ - Jeremy Corbyn’s team fear he will be SUSPENDED from Parliament

LABOUR leader Jeremy Corbyn and his closest aides are reportedly terrified he will be suspended from Parliament for failing to register several historic overseas trips, and are making preparations to stop deputy leader Tom Watson asserting control in his absence

if the dear leader gets suspended (looks like a slam dunk) it will be very interesting to see what Tom Watson does !
 

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interesting story in the express ‘He’s s**t SCARED’ - Jeremy Corbyn’s team fear he will be SUSPENDED from Parliament

LABOUR leader Jeremy Corbyn and his closest aides are reportedly terrified he will be suspended from Parliament for failing to register several historic overseas trips, and are making preparations to stop deputy leader Tom Watson asserting control in his absence

if the dear leader gets suspended (looks like a slam dunk) it will be very interesting to see what Tom Watson does !
See about 10 posts back...
 
interesting story in the express ‘He’s s**t SCARED’ - Jeremy Corbyn’s team fear he will be SUSPENDED from Parliament

LABOUR leader Jeremy Corbyn and his closest aides are reportedly terrified he will be suspended from Parliament for failing to register several historic overseas trips, and are making preparations to stop deputy leader Tom Watson asserting control in his absence

if the dear leader gets suspended (looks like a slam dunk) it will be very interesting to see what Tom Watson does !
What could he do? Corbyn would only be suspended from Parliament, he would still be the leader. It would be the reverse of the graveyard, he would not be present but he would be involved.
 

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interesting story in the express ‘He’s s**t SCARED’ - Jeremy Corbyn’s team fear he will be SUSPENDED from Parliament

LABOUR leader Jeremy Corbyn and his closest aides are reportedly terrified he will be suspended from Parliament for failing to register several historic overseas trips, and are making preparations to stop deputy leader Tom Watson asserting control in his absence

if the dear leader gets suspended (looks like a slam dunk) it will be very interesting to see what Tom Watson does !
I think the point is TW won't be allowed to do anything other than stand at the despatch box. Anyway, a suspension would not be put in place IMO and JC would just get a slap on the wrist, notwithstanding the suspension given to Paisley.
 
i find that sort of thing both amazing and terrifying. It's been an established fact that the rule of law is vital to economic prosperity since at least the early 1800s. Without it people do not invest in enterprise and business as doing so allows governments to basically steal your profits at a whim. For proof see virtually all of africa, South America and quite a bit of the central Asian republics region. Lesser example being Russia.
And the UK if you count the likes of retrospective tax legislation, the sort of thing you'd normally expect in a banana republic
 
I think the point is TW won't be allowed to do anything other than stand at the despatch box. Anyway, a suspension would not be put in place IMO and JC would just get a slap on the wrist, notwithstanding the suspension given to Paisley.
Paisley errs once and gets a suspension, if then Corbyn errs three times and gets more lenient treatment, what signal would that send? A serial offender is always dealt with more harshly, or is it going to be, one rule for the many, another for the few?
 

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