Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

I always assumed that this quote was attributed to Churchill, however it appears not:

"If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain"

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YM
No surprise for those who know me but I didn't have a heart and most certainly wasn't a Lib at 25, I was a tub thumping, tory hating Labour supporter and voter.

By the time I was 30 I was fast becoming a tory fan, probably because by then I had a wife and family and was finally starting to earn half decent money and was able to save.

Proof Churchills quote is based on fact and that old dogs can learn new tricks.
 
An ex-military friend on FB responding to a younger ex-military friend bigging up Corbyn - "Do you remember Kev Frogget. Radio Relay tech? He got killed, shot off a mast in NI by the PIRA. This twat was drinking tea with the IRA 2 days later."
I do, he was my Troop Staffy at 1ADSR prior to him being posting to NI and gunned down.
 
Coybns and Co brand of Socialism is anti western and anti capitalism. I remember watching something on YouTube (can't find it again). They was interviewing some people after a Labour Conference of some sort. One lady possibly mid to late 40's. Harping on about how the Tories will have us all working in poorhouses in the near future. This is the mindset JC and co appeal to.
Now I work for a couple of millionaires, both self made and from shit holes. One in Ireland and one just outside Manchester. Both are decent guys and respectful to us.
They pay me well for my job and both have spent last few years drumming up business in Africa. The upside of this we are now employing people in various parts of Africa and paying them a good wage. Close to 100 people employed now. Not a lot but we are not big company yet.
Capitalism and western ideals have allowed us todo this, its allow us to invest money into Africa and generate wealth not just to my bosses or me but to people in countries where they still live in tin roof houses.
My bosses have done more for the poor in Africa than JC has ever done.
People need to see what some off these CEO's that they so loath actually do. One of my CEO's has bought a house in Kenya because he spends so much time over there generating business. Spin off because of our infrastructure companies we deal with Africa are starting to make a lot more money as well, so once again they need to employ more people to deal with the increase in business.
All this because two CEO's saw a big gap in the market in Africa and with our technical expertise filled the gap.
 
Coybns and Co brand of Socialism is anti western and anti capitalism. I remember watching something on YouTube (can't find it again). They was interviewing some people after a Labour Conference of some sort. One lady possibly mid to late 40's. Harping on about how the Tories will have us all working in poorhouses in the near future. This is the mindset JC and co appeal to.
Now I work for a couple of millionaires, both self made and from shit holes. One in Ireland and one just outside Manchester. Both are decent guys and respectful to us.
They pay me well for my job and both have spent last few years drumming up business in Africa. The upside of this we are now employing people in various parts of Africa and paying them a good wage. Close to 100 people employed now. Not a lot but we are not big company yet.
Capitalism and western ideals have allowed us todo this, its allow us to invest money into Africa and generate wealth not just to my bosses or me but to people in countries where they still live in tin roof houses.
My bosses have done more for the poor in Africa than JC has ever done.
People need to see what some off these CEO's that they so loath actually do. One of my CEO's has bought a house in Kenya because he spends so much time over there generating business. Spin off because of our infrastructure companies we deal with Africa are starting to make a lot more money as well, so once again they need to employ more people to deal with the increase in business.
All this because two CEO's saw a big gap in the market in Africa and with our technical expertise filled the gap.
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Without giving PERSEC, or Commercial-Confidential, information . . . could you say in WHICH countries in Africa, the two bosses consider it worth, secure enough, to invest their time and money?!

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Without giving PERSEC, or Commercial-Confidential, information . . . could you say in WHICH countries in Africa, the two bosses consider it worth, secure enough, to invest their time and money?!

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Can I have a guess?!
One of my CEO's has bought a house in Kenya because he spends so much time over there generating business.
 
Luvvies should stick to acting, they have little experience of the teal world it seems.
I always wondered what colour the world was. Now I know.
 
So your man Corbyn was at a ceremony in Tunisia and a whole month later another attendee committed an atrocity. And where's the connection with Corbyn? Is there any evidence that Corbyn was privy to plans made by others at the event? I really can't imagine yon other fella sidling up to Corbyn with: "Hey, listen, Jezza. We plan to murder a few folks, including a Rabbi. What d'you reckon's the best way to go about that?" I mean, come on!

Remember that it all happened a good twelve-month before Corbyn was even elected leader of the Labour Party. At the time, there was not one single mention of it in any of the right-wing rags - or at most as a brief page-seven article. Yet suddenly, over four years later, it's become "startling" headline news. Do you believe there might be a bit of an agenda behind that?
Sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

Provided courtesy of the wisdom of our ancestors.

Or perhaps - you can judge the character of a man by the company he associates with, as astutely summarised by Aesop as "a man is known by the company he keeps". And this seems to be a universal understanding, for as the Japanese proverb states - when the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.

Corbyn has been hanging around with a certain type of person from all parts of the globe, all of whom have the murder of innocents as an acceptable part of their 'cause', so it should come as no surprise that he is now considered to be someone who endorses their behaviour as being appropriate.
 
[My bold in your post] A "fact" that's never been actually proved! What Jeremy Corbyn has done for most of his life is to support the Palestinian cause. That's a far cry from "supporting terrorist organisations". He's also repeatedly denounced Palestinian attacks on Israeli territory and in other countries, while still supporting their cause.

Moreover, there are millions of folks around the world who support the Palestinian cause, many of them famous and/or in leading social positions. Are you going to label all of them "terrorist sympathisers"? Just what are the criteria used to stamp someone as a "terrorist sympathiser"? And how come your man Corbyn has only "earned" that epithet since he became leader? More precisely, why has he suddenly become a "terrorist sympathiser" since he became the leader of the Labour Party? Why wasn't he labeled as such in all the many years before that?

What you (and others on ARRSE) are doing is attempting to defend the indefensible. The privileged classes desperately want to prevent at all costs Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister, because they, probably rightly, fear that he'll put an end to their decades-long, cushy and highly lucrative numbers sucking obscene profits out of the public purse, and he might even hold them to account for it.

I bet not a single one of you would deny that you (collectively) would like to see a "better" UK. A UK that offers more perspective, more opportunity to a wider sector of the population, better social services, etc, yet you (collectively) continue to believe the (privileged-class financed) statements that: "Corbyn would be a disaster for the UK". Just where is the solid evidence for that? I'd appreciate it if we could avoid the usual: "Well, he'd ruin the economy", "Corbyn would deter foreign investments", Corbyn's political policies would bankrupt the UK" and such facile bollix.

I'd like to see some sort of solid and detailed economic proof that any of that will come to pass, given the inevitable doomsday predictions that have followed every Labour Party victory in the UK to date. And for those who, Pavlov-dog-like, proclaim that: "Labour's ruined the country every time they've been in office", I recommend that you study the official history of what happened when this or that party was in office in the UK. It's very enlightening.

MsG
Yes, quite. No mention of Norn Iron in your diatribe. Curious. And to support one bunch of murderous thugs is unfortunate, but two makes it a deliberate choice.
 
I sense more incoming @Rodney2q . Duck!
Are we forming an arrse birding club? Duck here, geese on the Emperor Mong thread. Just because I am scanning off to the other end of the world, you'll all be laughing like coots!
 
"Corbyn would be a disaster for the UK"?
The solid evidence is the performance of the last two Labour governments.
The current bunch are far from perfect. But if anyone believes that Corbyn & his entourage of clowns would be any better, they are seriously deluded.
God forbid they ever get their hands anywhere near the levers of power.
Oh, I think you have an even better example from South America, a model that Corbyn propounded until the inevitable happened and ta da! The triumph of Socialism is to convince the world it DOES exist . . .


Corbyn's plan for UK: Venezuela DEBT CATASTROPHE - chilling warning of life under Labour

Jeremy Corbyn still cannot bear to condemn his fallen idols in Venezuela | The Spectator
 
Especially when they (a) think the 1945 election was a postwar one, and (b) expect us to believe that they held political principles at the age of five. But Stewart does make two interesting observations, the first being this:

"I have a suspicion Jeremy believes a disastrous Brexit would benefit him politically, and, in all the chaos and confusion that would occur after the policy is implemented ... he sees himself taking power."

Which could well be spot on.

The second concerns Corbyn's petulant short fuse (on display in their post-theatre exchange), something I and others have commented on before. It was evident, too, in a Sky News interview the other day, when the question (inevitably, about his links to terrorist groups) was not to his liking: the jerk of the head, the set of the jaw and the querulous, peevish denial. (You could almost hear the foot being stamped.) A leading politician who flares up like a teenage girl whenever he is crossed (in fact or perception) is a dangerously immature one. That alone makes him unfit to rule this country, and God knows there is much else in his character and record to justify that verdict. But millions of fools either can't or won't see it; heaven help us all if he ever does get to No 10.
I'd agree with that. We have a similar mentality here with the current regime north of the border. These people would gladly sacrifice people - even down to their very lives - if they thought that it would finally allow their 'cause' to be realised. They sincerely believe that a political philosophy is that much more important than the primacy of the individual to determine their own lives and that anyone who disagrees with them is not just wrong, but expendable since they have no intrinsic value as a person.

Frightening.
 
I do, he was my Troop Staffy at 1ADSR prior to him being posting to NI and gunned down.
Kev was my A/T room NCO at AAC Harrogate in 1971. I used to bull his boots! A lovely bloke who got me into Rock music - he used to play Deep Purple in Rock almost on permanent loop. Every time I hear Child in Time I think of poor Kev. RIP.
Another reason why I detest that twat Corbyn.
 
It's a catchy poster, and good for those not really following politics too closely, it for true impact should include Seamus Milne imho.
We’re going to need a bigger poster to get them all in shot!
 
Especially when they (a) think the 1945 election was a postwar one, and (b) expect us to believe that they held political principles at the age of five. But Stewart does make two interesting observations, the first being this:

"I have a suspicion Jeremy believes a disastrous Brexit would benefit him politically, and, in all the chaos and confusion that would occur after the policy is implemented ... he sees himself taking power."

Which could well be spot on.

The second concerns Corbyn's petulant short fuse (on display in their post-theatre exchange), something I and others have commented on before. It was evident, too, in a Sky News interview the other day, when the question (inevitably, about his links to terrorist groups) was not to his liking: the jerk of the head, the set of the jaw and the querulous, peevish denial. (You could almost hear the foot being stamped.) A leading politician who flares up like a teenage girl whenever he is crossed (in fact or perception) is a dangerously immature one. That alone makes him unfit to rule this country, and God knows there is much else in his character and record to justify that verdict. But millions of fools either can't or won't see it; heaven help us all if he ever does get to No 10.
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Yes, as a PM could you see him able to cope with fast ball questions at PM Questions when things go wrong?
 

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