Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

That's why I'm a Labour supporter and that's why I will always vote Labour.
I gather you will always vote Labour whatever they do regardless of what damage they would do to the people and this country.
 
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I support the Labour Party because I believe in fair and equitable treatment for everybody.
That is simply impossible . To give to have nots , you have to take from the haves , that means taxing hard working people to give to people unwilling to work , or unwilling to work as hard as people earning more than them . Where is the fairness in that ?

Opportunity is still even today is still remarkably restricted and this government finds every way possible to place the financial burden of the country on the less well off while the rich and the multi national corporations get away year after year with immense tax breaks while earning billions from this country.
Today , anyone can go to university , when I graduated in 1984 , only 5% of any year group could be accommodated at a university or poly , let alone graduate . And before you mention fees , they were introduced by Labour , but are only repayable after a salary of at least £24k is reached and the interest rate is minimal .
Today more people own their own property than ever before
More people own cars than ever before
Unemployment is the lowest since 1975
The tax threshold has been raised twice under the conservatives and now you don't pay tax till you earn at least £11850 pa . Got a lodger ? You don't have to declare the rent if it's below £9000 pa .
Income tax is only 20% up to £35800
All of this is to encourage people to work , so that they can keep their own money , rather than simply recycling it like G Brown did .
The top 10% earners pay something like 70% of the tax in this country , that's unfair on low earners ?


I want a decent health service,
You've got one
something we all pay for, and I want it fit for purpose.
We all do and it is
This government is running it down and privatising large parts of it so their friends can take even more profits from the public purse.
Labour privatised so much of the NHS under PFI that £11Bn's worth of hospitals built between 1997 and 2010 will cost £79Bn to pay back and sucks £2Bn a year out of the NHS budget BEFORE A SINGLE PATIENT HAS EVEN BEEN SEEN.
Let us also remember that labour let in 3.6 million people between 1997 and 2010 .
How are you supposed to budget within the NHS and other departments for that increase ? particularly when a lot of the people you're inviting in have diseases we eradicated over 70 years ago , and others are coming solely to be treated by the NHS for conditions like HIV



I also want a first class education service where children receive all the resources they need to learn and young people have the opportunity to attain higher education without landing themselves in huge debt.
See my comments above .

I also want a government that will encourage investment in the UK

How will raising corporation tax do that , then ?
Inward investment has grown four fold under this government , because they have created favourable conditions for growth



that will create better paid work with decent conditions such as holiday pay and sick pay.
Where have you been ? We've had those since 1912 !

I think that the fact many youngsters only opportunity of employment in many places is to work at their local supermarkets filling shelves is something of a tragedy.
It's not the only opportunity , work is plentiful


This government and the Conservatives in general don't want those things. They want to keep the status quo where the rich get richer and the less wealth off are just a large pool of people to be used as they see fit such as taxing them heavily to protect the wealth of the rich.
If that were true , why do a majority of people keep returning them to power ? Maybe it's because the working population are fed up with supporting the feckless and the idle , and want an end to unfettered , unmanaged immigration .

I also find it ironic that somebody can say that they don't see how a serving soldier or an ex soldier can vote for Corbyn when the Conservatives have slashed the armed forces to a bare minimum. We are almost on the verge of become solely, a uk territorial defence force with a very limited ability to protect our overseas interests.
Because they have had to introduce severe austerity measures and cut the budget to the bone to balance the books to pay for labour's profligacy , so there is nothing left for the armed forces , the police , or pretty much anything else

All this despite have the fifth biggest economy in the world allegedly!
We'll be the 55th after 12 months of what you're proposing

The Labour Party is an organisation that anybody can join.
How about jews ?
It's not an exclusive club. If people don't like the way things are going, they can always sign up and have a say.
Google the words " driven out of the Labour party " or " momentum " and then tell me that anyone can have their say
That goes for the Conservatives as well. You can sit at home and gripe or even post your views about how terrible they all are on an anonymous military orientated website but the only way to really make a difference is to get in there and tell them what you think.
The only people who gripe on this whole forum tend to be people with left leaning tendencies

That's why I'm a Labour supporter and that's why I will always vote Labour
Do you tell your young friends about your service and time in Ireland ?.
 
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I want a decent health service, something we all pay for, and I want it fit for purpose. This government is running it down and privatising large parts of it so their friends can take even more profits from the public purse.
Private companies’ involvement in the NHS

Private provision of NHS clinical services initially came about in a number of ways, including:

  • The introduction of Alternative Provider Medical Services (APMS) contracts in 2004, to encourage non-NHS suppliers to provide primary care services. This has led, for example, to the take over of some GP surgeries and out of hours services by private companies, such as Virgin or Serco (for more details see https://abetternhs.wordpress.com/2011/05/29/gps-and-private-businesses/).
  • The creation of ‘independent sector treatment centres’ (ISTCs) in 2005. These deliver a set number of elective or routine treatments, like cataract surgery, under contract. They are paid whether or not the number of treatments specified in the contract is delivered. (For implications of ISTCs, see http://www.lse.ac.uk/LSEHealthAndSocialCare/pdf/eurohealth/Vol16No3/Vaid.pdf );
My bold.

It has long been a myth that only the Tories would allow private companies to supply health care on the NHS.
I respect anyone's right to vote for or support who thay like, but at least have all the facts at hand when you decide.
 
Private companies’ involvement in the NHS

Private provision of NHS clinical services initially came about in a number of ways, including:

  • The introduction of Alternative Provider Medical Services (APMS) contracts in 2004, to encourage non-NHS suppliers to provide primary care services. This has led, for example, to the take over of some GP surgeries and out of hours services by private companies, such as Virgin or Serco (for more details see https://abetternhs.wordpress.com/2011/05/29/gps-and-private-businesses/).
  • The creation of ‘independent sector treatment centres’ (ISTCs) in 2005. These deliver a set number of elective or routine treatments, like cataract surgery, under contract. They are paid whether or not the number of treatments specified in the contract is delivered. (For implications of ISTCs, see http://www.lse.ac.uk/LSEHealthAndSocialCare/pdf/eurohealth/Vol16No3/Vaid.pdf );
My bold.

It has long been a myth that only the Tories would allow private companies to supply health care on the NHS.
I respect anyone's right to vote for or support who thay like, but at least have all the facts at hand when you decide.
Good point well made but also worth emphasising that private health companies have always provided health care on a very large scale to the NHS. They’re called GP surgeries. And dental surgeries, pharmacies and opticians. All (or the vast majority) of which are private businesses subcontracting to the NHS.
 
Good point well made but also worth emphasising that private health companies have always provided health care on a very large scale to the NHS. They’re called GP surgeries. And dental surgeries, pharmacies and opticians. All (or the vast majority) of which are private businesses subcontracting to the NHS.
Yep and it really annoys me when lefties bang on about stopping privatisation- just once I'd like an interviewer to ask if they want the GPs re-nationalised.
 
so what? if its true then its true no matter who reported it! if hes innocent it should be easy to prove
You haven't actually clicked on the link have you?
 
I doubt anybody will ever get to the bottom of Corbyn's alleged links to a number of organisations that I think are to say the least, borderline terrorist or worse. Corbyn has been consistent in saying though that people must talk to people particularly when lives are at risk. I also don't think people should believe everything that's printed in the press. I can smell an election coming in the not too distant future and it would suit the Conservatives to see Corbyn's name dragged through the mud prior to an election. It's also telling that despite the DUP's links to terrorist factions in Northern Ireland, this government is happy to do business with the DUP to keep themselves in power.

I support the Labour Party because I believe in fair and equitable treatment for everybody. Opportunity is still even today is still remarkably restricted and this government finds every way possible to place the financial burden of the country on the less well off while the rich and the multi national corporations get away year after year with immense tax breaks while earning billions from this country.

I want a decent health service, something we all pay for, and I want it fit for purpose. This government is running it down and privatising large parts of it so their friends can take even more profits from the public purse. I also want a first class education service where children receive all the resources they need to learn and young people have the opportunity to attain higher education without landing themselves in huge debt.

I also want a government that will encourage investment in the UK that will create better paid work with decent conditions such as holiday pay and sick pay. I think that the fact many youngsters only opportunity of employment in many places is to work at their local supermarkets filling shelves is something of a tragedy.

This government and the Conservatives in general don't want those things. They want to keep the status quo where the rich get richer and the less wealth off are just a large pool of people to be used as they see fit such as taxing them heavily to protect the wealth of the rich.

I also find it ironic that somebody can say that they don't see how a serving soldier or an ex soldier can vote for Corbyn when the Conservatives have slashed the armed forces to a bare minimum. We are almost on the verge of become solely, a uk territorial defence force with a very limited ability to protect our overseas interests.

All this despite have the fifth biggest economy in the world allegedly!

The Labour Party is an organisation that anybody can join. It's not an exclusive club. If people don't like the way things are going, they can always sign up and have a say. That goes for the Conservatives as well. You can sit at home and gripe or even post your views about how terrible they all are on an anonymous military orientated website but the only way to really make a difference is to get in there and tell them what you think.

That's why I'm a Labour supporter and that's why I will always vote Labour.
rjgbloke

Just out of curiosity I'd like to ask you a couple of questions. My questions are:

All of the recent sexual abuse scandals - Telford, Rotherham, Oxford, and now Huddersfield, have ALL occured in areas which have Labour controlled councils?

How do you reconcile your support of the Labour Party with the accusations that Labour controlled councils have tried to cover up the abuse?

The Labour party you believe in is long dead... welcome to the racist, anti-semitic, terrorist supporting, socialist Labour Party of the 21st Century.

Edited to add that I got confused between rgjbloke and RoyalGreenJacket. Apologies to rgjbloke. POst edited but questions still stand.
 
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Yep and it really annoys me when lefties bang on about stopping privatisation- just once I'd like an interviewer to ask if they want the GPs re-nationalised.
Were they ever nationalised?
 
RGJbloke

I see that you have started another thread about sexual abuse of teenage children by Asians in the UK.

Just out of curiosity I'd like to ask you a couple of questions. My questions are:

Do you understand that all of these cases - Telford, Rotherham, Oxford, and now Huddersfield, ALL occur in areas which have Labour controlled councils?

How do you reconcile your support of the Labour Party with the accusations that Labour controlled councils have tried to cover up the abuse?

The Labour party you believe in is long dead... welcome to the racist, anti-semitic, terrorist supporting, socialist Labour Party of the 21st Century.
You do know that 'RoyalGreenJacket' and 'rgjbloke' are different people, don't you?
 
You do know that 'RoyalGreenJacket' and 'rgjbloke' are different people, don't you?
Oops! I see what you mean....



Apologies to rgjbloke for the mistake. I'll edit the post.

The questions still stand though...
 
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The Labour party you believe in is long dead... welcome to the racist, anti-semitic, terrorist supporting, socialist Labour Party of the 21st Century.

Labour were always racist against foreigners prior to the 80s.
 
The primary task of any government is to look after its own people. Corbyn is incapable of any such understanding.
Depands on who Corbyn regards as "his people" ?! :( .
 
"There's none so blind as those who will not see"!!
 
For a man who is so interested in promoting peace and remembering the victims of Terrorism, all Terrorism, comrade cob/Jeremy C appears to have missed a trick. If he is so truly interested in promoting peace why did he not appear in the town of Omagh today? Was this not a terrorist attack that he should be commemorating with the families of the victims, their last such public commemoration of this tragic and murderous event?
 
The Labour party you believe in is long dead... welcome to the racist, anti-Semitic, terrorist supporting, socialist Labour Party of the 21st Century.
They are a national party, aren't they?

There was a similar one to that in Germany in the 20th century. If only I could remember what they were called!
 
For a man who is so interested in promoting peace and remembering the victims of Terrorism, all Terrorism, comrade cob/Jeremy C appears to have missed a trick. If he is so truly interested in promoting peace why did he not appear in the town of Omagh today? Was this not a terrorist attack that he should be commemorating with the families of the victims, their last such public commemoration of this tragic and murderous event?
He could even have laid a wreath...
 

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They are a national party, aren't they?

There was a similar one to that in Germany in the 20th century. If only I could remember what they were called!
I remember reading about them I think. Were they the Hackenkreuz Party?
 

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