Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

I agree with you and have said this on other threads.

I said at the time, pre Corbyn, that Labour need to move more left, Tories more right leaving Lib Dems/Greens to hold the middle ground. The trouble is both main parties have been moving in and taking over the policies of the other party leaving very little to choose between them. The only real difference was how money was spent, other than that policy was so close that I doubt the civil service even changed step on change of government.

Since then we have had Momentum in taking control of Labour. I don't have a real problem with that as the electorate will deal with that, except if they hoodwink the electorate to allow in a communist government, which again I don't believe will happen. I hope that Labour get their act together and ditch Momentum but retain a strong socialist outlook rather than just move in to the middle ground again.

As THR pointed out we do need two genuinely opposing Parties, with policies that show a real choice and difference, well at least two, so that the electorate will have a choice and the country has a real government set up.

Unfortunately I can't see that happening soon. I rather expect parliament to get worse during the withdrawal from the EU as normal politics takes a sideline while this internecine fighting goes on.
Personally I'd actually prefer two parties with similar policies, the public could then vote on which of them were more capable of achieving them. For this to even get off the drawing board though you'd need two parties with leaderships containing credible and capable, if not likeable, front benchers and at the moment the only one that comes anywhere near that are the Conservatives.
 

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Just heard the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP - a sub-section of the PLO) are meeting tomorrow. "For everyone not the Jew"? It will be interesting to see or hear if the Labour MPs who chickened out as Momentum took over, have the courage to face up to Corbyn, Seamus and JMcD and get the anti-Semitism in the Party sorted out and killed off!

If Labour gave as much time and effort to fighting anti-Semitism as they did to BAME issues and Diana's perennial Race Card then this would be sorted toot sweet. IMHO of course!
 
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Exclusive: Jeremy Corbyn's party reforms – in full | LabourList

Looks like equality of outcome again. Absolutely no mention of dealing with anti-semitism.
Several comments express cynicism and concerns about Corbyn, Corbynistas and the pushing of small groups to effect change ie the way Corbyn and McDonnel emerged from an extremist fringe and are changing the party in to a replacement for the CPGB. It's not what the majority of the Labour party or it's members want but they are doing sod all about it.
There's a sweet irony in having a 'equality' section that mainly discusses having lists, groups or roles that forbid certain members joining. That's real equality for you

I think this one too may have some weird outcomes

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'I'm from Mumbai, Mr Corbyn'



'I'm Dr Fuk Yu Too, Mr Corbyn'

 

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'Self-identfying BAME' - My Jamaican forebear 'Mary' b.1736ish was a 'free negro' - Pass the burnt cork - where do I join?
 
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There's a sweet irony in having a 'equality' section that mainly discusses having lists, groups or roles that forbid certain members joining. That's real equality for you

I think this one too may have some weird outcomes

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'I'm from Mumbai, Mr Corbyn'



'I'm Dr Fuk Yu Too, Mr Corbyn'

Well Goodness Gracious Me!
 
About as much chance as the Pope staggering down the Ormeau Road on the 12th, roaring out 'The Sash' at the top of his voice.
Improbable, to be sure; but it's worth noting that his predecessor in 1690 ordered bonfires to be lit in Rome in celebration of King Billy's victory at the Boyne. Oddly enough, that doesn't get a mention in The Sash.
 
There's a sweet irony in having a 'equality' section that mainly discusses having lists, groups or roles that forbid certain members joining. That's real equality for you

I think this one too may have some weird outcomes

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Didn't someone in the Labour party try that, claiming his self-identified as a female, on Wednesdays? Then promptly got suspended as everyone higher up* had a sense of humour failure and failed to spot the very valid point he was making.

*I wanted to use the phrase "Chain of command" here, but I felt that there's very little organised command and control going on in any political party at the moment. Really we need a better phrase. "Higher levels of peter principle" could work I suppose.
 
Don't be silly only white Christian people (who are probably straight and male) dislike Jews.

Having read your link there are certain views that people can have on Jews, that doesn't mean they are antisemitic they just aren't toeing the party line. Like this bit
Twenty-five percent of British Muslims believe that Jews ‘exploit Holocaust victimhood for their own purposes’ — versus ten percent of Britons overall.

Quite a few of them do.
 
Don't be silly only white Christian people (who are probably straight and male) dislike Jews.

Having read your link there are certain views that people can have on Jews, that doesn't mean they are antisemitic they just aren't toeing the party line. Like this bit
Twenty-five percent of British Muslims believe that Jews ‘exploit Holocaust victimhood for their own purposes’ — versus ten percent of Britons overall.

Quite a few of them do.
I quite agree. My point is that electoral arithmetic makes this a non-issue for Labour.
 
Antisemitism seems to be persistent throughout history.

All that can be done is to try and root it out where it's found.

Hopefully labour will try to tackle the issue
 

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