Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

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In the event that a Major Political Party like Labour actually did 'disappear' , what would replace them do you think. The advent of another Centrist Party seems illogical given the Liberals occupy that position ,which could leave a Conservative Party without any Opposition what so ever. Whilst lots of people think that would be good ,destruction of the main Opposition Party could lead who knows where. Can't really see it myself ,so suck it up Labour may have the next Govt for 5-10 years but the Tory's will take over again in time, unless the Liberals rise again. That is British Political history mainly 2 terms and then all change but no matter what ,the sun will still rise and bears will still defecate in the woods.........
I agree with you and have said this on other threads.

I said at the time, pre Corbyn, that Labour need to move more left, Tories more right leaving Lib Dems/Greens to hold the middle ground. The trouble is both main parties have been moving in and taking over the policies of the other party leaving very little to choose between them. The only real difference was how money was spent, other than that policy was so close that I doubt the civil service even changed step on change of government.

Since then we have had Momentum in taking control of Labour. I don't have a real problem with that as the electorate will deal with that, except if they hoodwink the electorate to allow in a communist government, which again I don't believe will happen. I hope that Labour get their act together and ditch Momentum but retain a strong socialist outlook rather than just move in to the middle ground again.

As THR pointed out we do need two genuinely opposing Parties, with policies that show a real choice and difference, well at least two, so that the electorate will have a choice and the country has a real government set up.

Unfortunately I can't see that happening soon. I rather expect parliament to get worse during the withdrawal from the EU as normal politics takes a sideline while this internecine fighting goes on.
 
In his book The Road to Serfdom, Friedrich Hayek asserts that the economic freedom of capitalism is a requisite of political freedom.

He argues that the market mechanism is the only way of deciding what to produce and how to distribute the items without using coercion.

Ergo capitalism is the only path to freedom for the working class, all other paths lead to tyranny

What we need is a party with capitalism at it's core for monetary purposes and socially liberal in it's attitude to individual freedoms
 
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Labour could implode, in which case TMPM wil call an election PDQ.

John Woodcock: Corbyn is a security risk, says MP who quit Labour

Truth is that both parties are riven by factions to either extreme, in parliamentary politics, of their respective leaning. Interesting times, still.
Much as I would like it to happen, I can't see Labour imploding as long as they're in opposition and can avoid having to subscribe to a definitive position. Even then, it is astonishing what politicians of both parties seem prepared to put up with from their leadership if they're in power.
 
In his book The Road to Serfdom, Friedrich Hayek asserts that the economic freedom of capitalism is a requisite of political freedom.

He argues that the market mechanism is the only way of deciding what to produce and how to distribute the items without using coercion.

Ergo capitalism is the only path to freedom for the working class, all other paths lead to tyranny

What we need is a party with capitalism at it's core for monetary parties and socially liberal in it's attitude to individual freedoms
Where do public services fit into that ideology?
 
Much as I would like it to happen, I can't see Labour imploding as long as they're in opposition and can avoid having to subscribe to a definitive position. Even then, it is astonishing what politicians of both parties seem prepared to put up with from their leadership if they're in power.
Spot on FF.

Why define your position on such a divisive issue among your target voters and the wider UK, when you can simply watch the Tories tear themselves to bits and position yourself when it becomes clear what will win the next general election.

Cynical, yet the best route to power
 
Japanese had less red lines.

EU-Japan Economic Partnership Agreement

Japan isn't asking for single market membership division without responsibility

No. You're lying about what I said.

I don't want a Corbyn premiership.

I'm one of many who've voted conservative in the past finding themselves unable to support a governing party putting it's own infighting ahead of the national interest.

Brexit will bring down the government and end the current parliament sometime in the next year, as things finally come to a head.

The next GE will be fought on brexit.

Labour merely need to get off the fence and change their stance based on public opinion to win the day. I think that they will do this to attain power.

This may well result in the double whammy of a ruinously socialist economic policy combined with the disaster of a hard brexit.

I may be derided for this view but back in 2016 the arrse consensus was for a 100 seat majority for the conservative party. We know how that panned out.
I'm not lying at all.
You completely failed to state your position on those three points.

back in 2016 we didn't know what a cretin may would be by calling another GE then utterly screwing up the manifesto by showing her distinctly un-conservative traits.
The Tory Party isn't & hasn't been conservative in its policies & agenda for more than a decade & it's getting worse.
That's not to say Labour isn't falling apart too.
 
I said at the time, pre Corbyn, that Labour need to move more left, Tories more right leaving Lib Dems/Greens to hold the middle ground. The trouble is both main parties have been moving in and taking over the policies of the other party leaving very little to choose between them. .
Which with hindsight was absolutely perfect. The country bimbled along quite happily on a centrist path. The acceptable bits of socialism and capitalism bringing the maximum benefit for the majority of the population. Labour lurched to the left with Corbyn but the Tories then staggered to the right. Now we have a choice of two extreme paths - Brexit and the Little Englander politics that go with it or mass nationalisations, huge tax rises and borrowing on an epic scale under the poundshop Lenin.

We'll look back on the Blair/Brown/Cameron time as a golden age.
 
Whilst I find your hysteria amusing and delicious, Sharia law, Islamic state etc, it's worth pointing out that whilst EU immigration has been falling since 2016, non EU immigration has been larger for a decade.

Whatever government is in power, they realise that turning off the immigration tap is damaging to economic growth and will keep net migration in the 100'sk per year regardless of social consequences, since this isn't a metric that a governing party is measured by, unlike GDP, growth etc.[/QUOTE]


Rubbish.
keeping immigration high is merely putting off the inevitable because no party has the balls to address the issue.
This country is so overcrowded we now import more than half our food.
 
Much as I would like it to happen, I can't see Labour imploding as long as they're in opposition and can avoid having to subscribe to a definitive position. Even then, it is astonishing what politicians of both parties seem prepared to put up with from their leadership if they're in power.
Given that UKIP are effectively roadkill, I look forward to the arrival of Sir Nigel of Farage to lead the British CDU to power.
 
Which with hindsight was absolutely perfect. The country bimbled along quite happily on a centrist path. The acceptable bits of socialism and capitalism bringing the maximum benefit for the majority of the population. Labour lurched to the left with Corbyn but the Tories then staggered to the right. Now we have a choice of two extreme paths - Brexit and the Little Englander politics that go with it or mass nationalisations, huge tax rises and borrowing on an epic scale under the poundshop Lenin.

We'll look back on the Blair/Brown/Cameron time as a golden age.
I don't see that at all: So-called "centrist" politics have been moving leftwards for almost three decades, dragging the Tory Party leftwards too.
Labour has broken away by leaping to the far left, with the Lib Dems now occupying the centre left ground & the Tories now in the centre.
 
I don't see that at all: So-called "centrist" politics have been moving leftwards for almost three decades, dragging the Tory Party leftwards too.
Labour has broken away by leaping to the far left, with the Lib Dems now occupying the centre left ground & the Tories now in the centre.
It's how politics moves forwards.

Leftists in revolutionary France would've been characterised as Neo goose-steppers in the 20C.

What's your opinion on the social positions of JRM? I know that sounds loaded, but he's at least 50 years out of phase with most of modern Britain.

It's accelerated since the sixties, clearly
 
It's how politics moves forwards.

Leftists in revolutionary France would've been characterised as Neo goose-steppers in the 20C.

What's your opinion on the social positions of JRM? I know that sounds loaded, but he's at least 50 years out of phase with most of modern Britain.

It's accelerated since the sixties, clearly
So you're not really a conservative at all.

I can't say that surprises me in the slightest.
 
Labour could implode, in which case TMPM wil call an election PDQ.
She should think twice about that, she has already had her ass handed to her once for taking the peasantry for granted.
 

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