Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

Whilst I find your hysteria amusing and delicious, Sharia law, Islamic state etc, it's worth pointing out that whilst EU immigration has been falling since 2016, non EU immigration has been larger for a decade.

Whatever government is in power, they realise that turning off the immigration tap is damaging to economic growth and will keep net migration in the 100'sk per year regardless of social consequences, since this isn't a metric that a governing party is measured by, unlike GDP, growth etc.[/QUOTE]


Rubbish.
keeping immigration high is merely putting off the inevitable because no party has the balls to address the issue.
This country is so overcrowded we now import more than half our food.
 
Much as I would like it to happen, I can't see Labour imploding as long as they're in opposition and can avoid having to subscribe to a definitive position. Even then, it is astonishing what politicians of both parties seem prepared to put up with from their leadership if they're in power.
Given that UKIP are effectively roadkill, I look forward to the arrival of Sir Nigel of Farage to lead the British CDU to power.
 
Which with hindsight was absolutely perfect. The country bimbled along quite happily on a centrist path. The acceptable bits of socialism and capitalism bringing the maximum benefit for the majority of the population. Labour lurched to the left with Corbyn but the Tories then staggered to the right. Now we have a choice of two extreme paths - Brexit and the Little Englander politics that go with it or mass nationalisations, huge tax rises and borrowing on an epic scale under the poundshop Lenin.

We'll look back on the Blair/Brown/Cameron time as a golden age.
I don't see that at all: So-called "centrist" politics have been moving leftwards for almost three decades, dragging the Tory Party leftwards too.
Labour has broken away by leaping to the far left, with the Lib Dems now occupying the centre left ground & the Tories now in the centre.
 
I don't see that at all: So-called "centrist" politics have been moving leftwards for almost three decades, dragging the Tory Party leftwards too.
Labour has broken away by leaping to the far left, with the Lib Dems now occupying the centre left ground & the Tories now in the centre.
It's how politics moves forwards.

Leftists in revolutionary France would've been characterised as Neo goose-steppers in the 20C.

What's your opinion on the social positions of JRM? I know that sounds loaded, but he's at least 50 years out of phase with most of modern Britain.

It's accelerated since the sixties, clearly
 
It's how politics moves forwards.

Leftists in revolutionary France would've been characterised as Neo goose-steppers in the 20C.

What's your opinion on the social positions of JRM? I know that sounds loaded, but he's at least 50 years out of phase with most of modern Britain.

It's accelerated since the sixties, clearly
So you're not really a conservative at all.

I can't say that surprises me in the slightest.
 
Labour could implode, in which case TMPM wil call an election PDQ.
She should think twice about that, she has already had her ass handed to her once for taking the peasantry for granted.
 
JRM is a last gasp and would be electoral poison at any future GE.
I don't know about that, even the tory-hating harridan Jess Phillips said she couldn't help liking him.
And on top of that he has a very anti-politician habit of actually answering questions clearly ( a miracle in itself) and without clarting his answer in buzzword sauce ( as sure an indicator of mendacity as you will find anywhere).
 
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In the event that a Major Political Party like Labour actually did 'disappear' , what would replace them do you think. The advent of another Centrist Party seems illogical given the Liberals occupy that position ,which could leave a Conservative Party without any Opposition what so ever. Whilst lots of people think that would be good ,destruction of the main Opposition Party could lead who knows where. Can't really see it myself ,so suck it up Labour may have the next Govt for 5-10 years but the Tory's will take over again in time, unless the Liberals rise again. That is British Political history mainly 2 terms and then all change but no matter what ,the sun will still rise and bears will still defecate in the woods.........
I don’t think there is ‘another’ party to challenge the establishment. U
 
In his book The Road to Serfdom, Friedrich Hayek asserts that the economic freedom of capitalism is a requisite of political freedom.

He argues that the market mechanism is the only way of deciding what to produce and how to distribute the items without using coercion.

Ergo capitalism is the only path to freedom for the working class, all other paths lead to tyranny

What we need is a party with capitalism at it's core for monetary parties and socially liberal in it's attitude to individual freedoms
Which is ironic, as Hayek's work inspired the new right in Thatcher and Reagan (for example)

But they were economically liberal and socially conservative.
 
I don't know about that, even the tory-hating harridan Jess Phillips said she couldn't help liking him.
And on top of that he has a very anti-politician habit of actually answering questions clearly ( a miracle in itself) and without clarting his answer in buzzword sauce ( as sure an indicator of mendacity as you will find anywhere).
He's another demagogue, albeit with a privileged education and a command of Latin
 
I'm not a supporter of social policies 50-100 out of date.

JRM is a last gasp and would be electoral poison at any future GE.
Nowhere did I say JRM was my preferred choice, though I'd like to know what you think his political beliefs are, rather than regurgitating the dog toffee produced by the agenda driven media.
 
I'm missing the irony, as I thought that was what lokiuk was highlighting.
I just find the opposition of monetary liberalism and social conservatism ironic.
 

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