Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

Liar. I support the monarchy because it works. At least with the current monarch
The new reality?
Do we really want a PM who wants to get rid of the Monarchy,thinks we should copy the economics of Venezuela, hates the Armed Forces(especially the Army,which he absolutely despises),and supports the ira?
Unintended consequences
 
Indeed, but if she walks away. Hard brexit will be utterly ruinous.

So in short, damned either way.
Japan turned out alright doing a trade deal with the EU, don't see them adopting the EU or giving the EU lots of money

If anything they seem to have stiffed the EU big time

All we need is some balls, just need a PM willing to go up yours Junker
 
Japan turned out alright doing a trade deal with the EU, don't see them adopting the EU or giving the EU lots of money

If anything they seem to have stiffed the EU big time

All we need is some balls, just need a PM willing to go up yours Junker
Sadly not the one we have at the moment though...
 
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Looks like equality of outcome again. Absolutely no mention of dealing with anti-semitism.
Several comments express cynicism and concerns about Corbyn, Corbynistas and the pushing of small groups to effect change ie the way Corbyn and McDonnel emerged from an extremist fringe and are changing the party in to a replacement for the CPGB. It's not what the majority of the Labour party or it's members want but they are doing sod all about it.
 
All we need is some balls, just need a PM willing to go up yours Junker
Quite. Unfortunately, obvious candidates are in very short supply on the Tory benches at the moment. It's a shame Kate Hoey and Gisela Stuart are Labour! :smile:
 
Japan turned out alright doing a trade deal with the EU, don't see them adopting the EU or giving the EU lots of money

If anything they seem to have stiffed the EU big time

All we need is some balls, just need a PM willing to go up yours Junker
Japanese had less red lines.

EU-Japan Economic Partnership Agreement

Japan isn't asking for single market membership division without responsibility
Ah, you're OK with his Venezuelan utopia plan, hatred of the armed forces & support for the IRA.
No. You're lying about what I said.

I don't want a Corbyn premiership.

I'm one of many who've voted conservative in the past finding themselves unable to support a governing party putting it's own infighting ahead of the national interest.

Brexit will bring down the government and end the current parliament sometime in the next year, as things finally come to a head.

The next GE will be fought on brexit.

Labour merely need to get off the fence and change their stance based on public opinion to win the day. I think that they will do this to attain power.

This may well result in the double whammy of a ruinously socialist economic policy combined with the disaster of a hard brexit.

I may be derided for this view but back in 2016 the arrse consensus was for a 100 seat majority for the conservative party. We know how that panned out.
 
Labour merely need to get off the fence and change their stance based on public opinion to win the day. I think that they will do this to attain power.
I agree with a lot of your post, but take issue with this point. The combined Tory and Labour vote at the last General Election was almost 83% - for the only two Parties that included a commitment to leave the EU as part of their respective manifestos. So how can Labour change their stance? They may attract some Greens and Lib Dem’s if they commit to staying in the EU, but they will lose even more of their ‘traditional, core’ Northern vote, a significant majority of whom voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU in the referendum.
Whichever way you look at it, the country is divided and it’s a right buggers muddle.
Theresa May is making a complete mess of it, but do you seriously believe Jeremy will be any better and take the country with him?
 
Theresa May is making a complete mess of it, but do you seriously believe Jeremy will be any better and take the country with him?
All I've been doing is musing on what the electorate might do at the next election.

The whole thing is undeliverable in the timeframe and I'm sure that JC would bollock things up anyway.

My main thrust is that once the effects of brexit are felt, the electorate will swing enough away from the governing party that's presided over this mess and open the door for a socialist government.

JC may be unfit to govern, but if he happens to be leading the opposition when the music stops and the people become angry with the Tories for leading them into recession and mass job losses, then he's the man in the top job.

Democratic politics aren't a meritocracy
 
I agree with a lot of your post, but take issue with this point. The combined Tory and Labour vote at the last General Election was almost 83% - for the only two Parties that included a commitment to leave the EU as part of their respective manifestos. So how can Labour change their stance? They may attract some Greens and Lib Dem’s if they commit to staying in the EU, but they will lose even more of their ‘traditional, core’ Northern vote, a significant majority of whom voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU in the referendum.
Whichever way you look at it, the country is divided and it’s a right buggers muddle.
Theresa May is making a complete mess of it, but do you seriously believe Jeremy will be any better and take the country with him?

My bold.. you may have noticed over the past few years those "traditional, core, northern" votes are being replaced rapidly by the fastest growing ethnicity/religion in the UK and hence are becoming less relevant or influential on Labours policies.
It would appear to me than the opening of the flood gates under Blair and the subsequent rise in numbers of incomers are all part of the current Labour thinking, to eliminate the traditional British culture and replace it with a new Soviet style state. They are sadly forgetting/ignoring that the same ethnic/religious group has ingrained into their beliefs that their religion will take precedence over ANY other considerations and in a very short space of time these same complicit politicians of the left will be replaced by a THEOCRACY with everything being governed by sharia law.!!
 
My bold.. you may have noticed over the past few years those "traditional, core, northern" votes are being replaced rapidly by the fastest growing ethnicity/religion in the UK and hence are becoming less relevant or influential on Labours policies.
It would appear to me than the opening of the flood gates under Blair and the subsequent rise in numbers of incomers are all part of the current Labour thinking, to eliminate the traditional British culture and replace it with a new Soviet style state. They are sadly forgetting/ignoring that the same ethnic/religious group has ingrained into their beliefs that their religion will take precedence over ANY other considerations and in a very short space of time these same complicit politicians of the left will be replaced by a THEOCRACY with everything being governed by sharia law.!!
That’s a very scary thought, but thankfully, if it comes to pass, I won’t be around to see it! Who knows what type of country this will be when (or if) our 4 grandchildren (all under 4) reach my age in around 2075?
Have to say, it would keep me awake at night, if I thought too much about it.
 
EU-Japan Economic Partnership Agreement

Japan isn't asking for single market membership division without responsibility

No. You're lying about what I said.

I don't want a Corbyn premiership.

I'm one of many who've voted conservative in the past finding themselves unable to support a governing party putting it's own infighting ahead of the national interest.

Brexit will bring down the government and end the current parliament sometime in the next year, as things finally come to a head.

The next GE will be fought on brexit.

Labour merely need to get off the fence and change their stance based on public opinion to win the day. I think that they will do this to attain power.

This may well result in the double whammy of a ruinously socialist economic policy combined with the disaster of a hard brexit.

I may be derided for this view but back in 2016 the arrse consensus was for a 100 seat majority for the conservative party. We know how that panned out.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately you’re right. Labour will pick up the bones of Brexit and get into power. For no other reason than the county will be sick of the Tories. All Labour needs to do is bide it’s time.
 
That’s a very scary thought, but thankfully, if it comes to pass, I won’t be around to see it! Who knows what type of country this will be when (or if) our 4 grandchildren (all under 4) reach my age in around 2075?
Have to say, it would keep me awake at night, if I thought too much about it.
That's my thinking if it happens, I've moved to rural Wales and it won't happen here in my lifetime if it ever comes to pass

Worst case if society breaks down, I'm surrounded by natural resources
 

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