Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

National policy? Have a look at Cawyn Jones speech today. The rifts are big. They loose the out voting valley seats Labour go no where.
Its a tight rope Labour do not want but have idiots like owen smith p€ssing the locals off.
 
National policy? Have a look at Cawyn Jones speech today. The rifts are big. They loose the out voting valley seats Labour go no where.
Its a tight rope Labour do not want but have idiots like owen smith p€ssing the locals off.
Yes, national policy.

Labour aren't in government
 
It's not affecting national policy, so the impact is negligible.

If Tory infighting drags the UK into recession and hardship, the most natural thing in the world is to vote for the opposition.

Hard brexit will certainly cause this and probably bring down the government, in my view.
Being pushed into a shite Brexit will be worse, at least a hard Brexit will cushion us from when the EU disintegrates, and merrily set our own monetary policy and trade deals rather than having to pay for the results of the Euro imploding and the EU's policy of uncontrolled immigration
 
It's not affecting national policy, so the impact is negligible.

If Tory infighting drags the UK into recession and hardship, the most natural thing in the world is to vote for the opposition.

Hard brexit will certainly cause this and probably bring down the government, in my view.
Once the Soviet Of All Soviets aka The PLP decide what their Brexit policy is and Great Leader and Dear Leader can ensure a consensus within the PLP ('ticularly before a rather important HoC vote) and they manage to win the next GE then, yes, the magnificent Socialist Ship of State can glide effortlessly onward.

. . . currently, though, Labour resemble this:

 

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And all we hear from the
Well Jezza has achieved something few, if any, Party leaders have managed: 100 resignations during his watch.
Lefties miss the fact that May is losing ministers in single figures which appears patently is a disaster whereas it is OK for Corbyn to be up to three fugures. Happy days!
 
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You've forgotten eating.
She is famous for not eating much. Working and field trial ancestors. Costs less to keep than an Abbott!
 

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Meh, none of this matters.

If the ERG lunatics manage to get the hard brexit they're aiming for, the UK will collapse. The conservative government will then be held responsible since they were in power throughout this process.

The electorate will lurch for the money printing rainbows and unicorns offered by the JC led labour party.

Corbyn will be in No10 by 2020 should the above events come to pass.

Most leavers didn't vote thinking they'd be significantly poorer as a result. Their anger will be directed at the conservatives responsible.

Corbyn is playing a blinder. Muddying the waters wrt to his position, which is historically Eurosceptic.

His strategy is to keep as far away from this train wreck in slow motion as he possibly can. When it all comes apart, he will claim that it was nothing to do with him.

he'll have no trouble filling ministerial appointments if he wins power.

I know this opinion won't be popular here. But think back to the last GE. The consensus here was that Labour would be destroyed for a generation...

He's an easy man to ridicule, yet easier to underestimate
Mmmonnngggg! Ringing across Arrse!
 
And all we hear from the

Lefties miss the fact that May is losing ministers in single figures which appears patently is a disaster whereas it is OK for Corbyn to be up to three fugures. Happy days!
Mathematics not their strong point.
 
It's not affecting national policy, so the impact is negligible.

If Tory infighting drags the UK into recession and hardship, the most natural thing in the world is to vote for the opposition.

Hard brexit will certainly cause this and probably bring down the government, in my view.
If Labour wants to form the Government, it'll have to land on a Brexit policy, at which point the Tories will look like a model of unity.

If it's going to form the government, Labour needs to be further ahead in the polls than it currently is and solve the conundrum as to why it persists with a leader whose approval ratings as a leader are worse than Theresa May's and going backwards.

In terms of Brexit and its impact, the die-hard Remainers in Westminster and the civil service are doing an excellent job of providing the Tories with an alibi in the event of a sub-optimal solution - even Channel 4 News had a Remain voter saying 'we're leaving, get on with it' last night.

If you want to know the reality, look at how many Labour MP's revolted in favour of Brexit and keep an eye on the support for those champions of Remain, the Lib Dems, which is currently flat-lining. Of course, in the event that support picks up for the Lib Dems, it's more likely to damage Labour as voters flee Corbyn's Collective.

Further, you've got no idea what the EU's going to be up to in 2022 which might vindicate Brexit to a degree that even you would find difficult to deny. Like it or not, and I know you don't, by that time the Euro will most likely have experienced a financial downturn that it is currently in no state to weather - and that's before the Italians have worked their particular magic and others have gone along for the ride.

There's also the question of the reputational damage incurred by Brussels in bringing Poland and Hungary into line, coupled with the fact that the UK electorate is, on the whole, more informed and sophisticated in their understanding of what the EU actually is and how it operates than prior to the whole Brexit debate.

You might have noticed how prominent Remainers are not generally well-regarded or popular people. The narrative being created is one of a well-heeled and selfish elite using dubious methods to ride roughshod and I doubt you'll persuade the likes of Blair to shut up and stop feeding that narrative between now and then.
 
If Labour wants to form the Government, it'll have to land on a Brexit policy, at which point the Tories will look like a model of unity.

If it's going to form the government, Labour needs to be further ahead in the polls than it currently is and solve the conundrum as to why it persists with a leader whose approval ratings as a leader are worse than Theresa May's and going backwards.

In terms of Brexit and its impact, the die-hard Remainers in Westminster and the civil service are doing an excellent job of providing the Tories with an alibi in the event of a sub-optimal solution - even Channel 4 News had a Remain voter saying 'we're leaving, get on with it' last night.

If you want to know the reality, look at how many Labour MP's revolted in favour of Brexit and keep an eye on the support for those champions of Remain, the Lib Dems, which is currently flat-lining. Of course, in the event that support picks up for the Lib Dems, it's more likely to damage Labour as voters flee Corbyn's Collective.

Further, you've got no idea what the EU's going to be up to in 2022 which might vindicate Brexit to a degree that even you would find difficult to deny. Like it or not, and I know you don't, by that time the Euro will most likely have experienced a financial downturn that it is currently in no state to weather - and that's before the Italians have worked their particular magic and others have gone along for the ride.

There's also the question of the reputational damage incurred by Brussels in bringing Poland and Hungary into line, coupled with the fact that the UK electorate is, on the whole, more informed and sophisticated in their understanding of what the EU actually is and how it operates than prior to the whole Brexit debate.

You might have noticed how prominent Remainers are not generally well-regarded or popular people. The narrative being created is one of a well-heeled and selfish elite using dubious methods to ride roughshod and I doubt you'll persuade the likes of Blair to shut up and stop feeding that narrative between now and then.
Speculation about the EU collapsing and attacking the messengers.

Brexit will damage the economy.

Most of the electorate will forget about the high minded constitutional issues that you apparently voted leave for once the economy tanks and they start losing their jobs.

The NE and Wales in particular.

The conservative party will carry the can for the failure.

Labours obvious flaws will pale into the background.

The EU isn't going to fall anytime soon. Like any political entity it can be perceived to be in a constant state of crisis, yet it it keeps on going.

The UK looks bloody ridiculous on the world stage and our once well earned reputation for stability and pragmatism is going out of the window, perhaps never to return.
 

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