Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

Corbyn was ‘too stupid’ to tackle Labour Party anti-Semitism at meeting with Jewish leaders | Daily Mail Online

Jeremy Corbyn was ‘too unemotional or too stupid’ to understand claims that he has failed to combat anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, it has been claimed.
The Labour leader is described as ‘bored, uninterested and condescending’ in a leaked account of his meeting with Jewish leaders last month to discuss the issue.
It suggests he lacks the ‘emotional or intellectual ability’ to comprehend their demands for more action to tackle the problem.
By contrast, he sprang into life with a ‘convulsion’ when told that his support for a ‘two state solution’ in the rift between Israel and Palestine meant he was a ‘Zionist’.
They could have saved the word count by just printing: Jeremy Corbyn is stupid.
Short, accurate and to the point.
 
As I’ve said before on this thread, Corbyn is essentially a naive, idealistic teenager (albeit one with a very nasty streak) in a pensioner’s body - and a relatively dim body at that. But there are millions like him in this country, which is what makes him so dangerous.

If Labour were led by a Hugh Gaitskell or a John Smith, an intelligent, articulate man able to discern complexity and nuance, most of the pond life would find it a boring turn-off. But Corbyn the eternal adolescent sees only black and white (a great deal of black, in Abbott’s case), and his simplistic self-certainty - combined, of course, with his many fairytale promises - resonates with the dull of brain and idle of bone, whose number is legion and who can just about bestir themselves to vote at a GE for lashings of free milk and honey. He could yet make it to No 10.
 
. . . He could yet make it to No 10.
With you all the way up to that bit.

IF Dear Leader has not been Trotskied before then, he will find that the hothouse run-up to a GE will not bear the regurgitation of a failed dogma; them that are convinced of it's merits are already settled. Turning wavering voters into Labour voters (not supporters, but voters) will come as something of a Hilary Clinton moment to him, I suspect-you've already done your best jokes and they weren't that funny 10 years ago.
 

DaManBugs

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So what happened to Venezuala?

Let's ask some Venezuelan's shall we.......


Oh dear :rofl::rofl::rofl:
Oh dear, nothing. If you take the time to actually examine what's happening in Venezuela, you'll find that it's not socialist policies causing the problems. Let me give you a little clue with that: now that Maduro has won the election with a high majority, the US are discussing applying even more sanctions to the country.

MsG
 

Helm

MIA
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Oh dear, nothing. If you take the time to actually examine what's happening in Venezuela, you'll find that it's not socialist policies causing the problems. Let me give you a little clue with that: now that Maduro has won the election with a high majority, the US are discussing applying even more sanctions to the country.

MsG
 
Oh dear, nothing. If you take the time to actually examine what's happening in Venezuela, you'll find that it's not socialist policies causing the problems. Let me give you a little clue with that: now that Maduro has won the election with a high majority, the US are discussing applying even more sanctions to the country.

MsG
What! That's a wind up right?
When you can't blame capitalism blame America.
The gospel of envy and victimhood stands true.

Maduro has ruled Venezuela by decree since 19 November 2013.[5][6][7][8] His presidency has coincided with a decline in Venezuela's socioeconomic status, with crime, inflation, poverty and hunger increasing; critics have ascribed this to Chávez and Maduro's economic policies,[9][10][11][12] while Maduro has blamed speculation and an "economic war" waged by his political opponents.[13][14][15][16][17][18] Shortages in Venezuela and decreased living standards resulted in protests beginning in 2014 that escalated into daily marches nationwide, resulting in 43 deaths and a decrease in Maduro's popularity.[19][20][21][22] The loss of popularity saw the election of an opposition-led National Assembly in 2015 and a movement toward recalling Maduro in 2016, though Maduro still maintains power through loyal political bodies, such as the Supreme Court and electoral authority as well as the military.[19][20][23]


After entering a constitutional crisis when the Supreme Tribunal removed power from the National Assembly, months of protests occurred in 2017 leading Maduro to call for a rewrite of the constitution. The Constituent Assembly of Venezuela was elected into office 30 July 2017, with the majority of its members being pro-Maduro.[24][25] On 20 May 2018, Maduro was reelected into the presidency in what analysts described as a show election[26][27] which had the lowest voter turnout in Venezuela's modern history.[28]


Like Chávez, Maduro has been accused of authoritarian leadership,[29] with conventional media describing him as a dictator, especially following the suspension of the recall movement that was directed towards him.[30][31][32][33] Following the 2017 Venezuelan Constituent Assembly election, the United States sanctioned Maduro, freezing his U.S. assets and prohibited him from entering the country, stating that he was a "dictator".[34] Many other states in the Western Hemisphere and Europe refused to recognize the Constituent Assembly and the validity of his 2018 reelection.
Yep, The utopia is just within reach comrade.
 
Oh dear, nothing. If you take the time to actually examine what's happening in Venezuela, you'll find that it's not socialist policies causing the problems. Let me give you a little clue with that: now that Maduro has won the election with a high majority, the US are discussing applying even more sanctions to the country.

MsG
Only a socialist government could take a country that's a member of OPEC and crash it so badly that its people are reduced to beggary.
 
Oh dear, nothing. If you take the time to actually examine what's happening in Venezuela, you'll find that it's not socialist policies causing the problems. Let me give you a little clue with that: now that Maduro has won the election with a high majority, the US are discussing applying even more sanctions to the country.

MsG
Why don't you **** off and live over there Bugsy?
 
Why don't you **** off and live over there Bugsy?
No doubt he thinks it's the wrong type of socialism.

Or alternatively it's the right type of socialism, but it failed not because it's a flawed, unworkable system pursued by pensioners who still have the mentality of teenagers, but because of American pressure and sanctions.

That, and I don't believe Bugsy will leave his council estate shit-igloo in Nottingham for Caracas, because I doubt that Venezuela pays benefits that are as handsome as the UK's to keep an unemployed and unemployable deadbeat like him alive.
 
No doubt he thinks it's the wrong type of socialism.

Or alternatively it's the right type of socialism, but it failed not because it's a flawed, unworkable system pursued by pensioners who still have the mentality of teenagers, but because of American pressure and sanctions.

That, and I don't believe Bugsy will leave his council estate shit-igloo in Nottingham for Caracas, because I doubt that Venezuela pays benefits that are as handsome as the UK's to keep an unemployed and unemployable deadbeat like him alive.
In Bugsy's defence he has always maintained that for 'proper' real socialism to take place that it would need to happen in every single country on earth.
He has more or less admitted that as long as capitalism exists, socialism cannot.
 
In Bugsy's defence he has always maintained that for 'proper' real socialism to take place that it would need to happen in every single country on earth.
He has more or less admitted that as long as capitalism exists, socialism cannot.
For him to say anything other would mean that, for the bulk of his 70-odd miserable years, he has supported failure.
 
In Bugsy's defence he has always maintained that for 'proper' real socialism to take place that it would need to happen in every single country on earth.
What a great excuse for him and the rest of the smelly inadequate's to not actually do any work to make their lives or the country any better, they can just continue to wave their placards around.
 
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DaManBugs

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In Bugsy's defence he has always maintained that for 'proper' real socialism to take place that it would need to happen in every single country on earth.
He has more or less admitted that as long as capitalism exists, socialism cannot.
That's actually a truism, Ho2331. If you recall, even Lenin admitted that Socialism was doomed if the German Revolution failed. And he was right.

However, what's of equal importance is that Socialism is introduced "from the bottom up", as it were, in society. Otherwise it has no chance of surviving; which is why the "top-down" system in the Soviet Union and all the rest of the so-called "Socialist" states went under. You can't just decree to a nation: "Right! You're living under "Socialism" now" and expect everyone to accept that. It has to be a majority democractic decision of the (any) population for it to be successful.

That was the case in Catalonia for two or three years immediately before the Spanish Civil War. It worked just fine there, because everyone realised that they were much better off than before. It was dealt the death-blow by Franco, the Boxheeds and, ironically, Stalin.

MsG
 
In Bugsy's defence he has always maintained that for 'proper' real socialism to take place that it would need to happen in every single country on earth.
He has more or less admitted that as long as capitalism exists, socialism cannot.
I would think that an EUSSR or Peoples Democratic Republic of America could pull it off
Both would have sufficient clout and resources within their own borders to pursue an isolationist policy if it required - The US in particular could close its borders and simply rely on internal markets.
For smaller less powerful states Bugsy is probably correct.

The USSR may have achieved it if it hadn't been so damn counter productive** and inefficient in its industries

**Poisoning the lake your best caviar comes from with Industrial waste type things
 
Oh dear, nothing. If you take the time to actually examine what's happening in Venezuela, you'll find that it's not socialist policies causing the problems. Let me give you a little clue with that: now that Maduro has won the election with a high majority, the US are discussing applying even more sanctions to the country.

MsG
US sanctions are not the cause of Venezuela's economic problems.
 
That was the case in Catalonia for two or three years immediately before the Spanish Civil War. It worked just fine there, because everyone realised that they were much better off than before. It was dealt the death-blow by Franco, the Boxheeds and, ironically, Stalin.

MsG
Except that it didn't work better other than in your alternative history of the world.

About the Desert Eagle BTW, you never did answer.
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
Except that it didn't work better other than in your alternative history of the world.

About the Desert Eagle BTW, you never did answer.
I realise that your being and betten is to discredit me at every chance you get, Dorky_Boy, but there's no denying that the Catalania version of "Socialism" was a roaring success among the population. I'd beg you to prove the opposite there.

My Desert Eagle has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand, Dorky, but much rather with your obsessive attempt(s) to secure ARRSE approval that you're, er, "superior" to me beacuse you imagine that the more you question me and what I state, the more folks will listen to you. Are you so sure of that, Dorky_Boy?

Rest assured that my .44 Desert Eagle is safe and secure at 10a Zehntenstrasse in Pratteln, Baselland, cared for by my good friends Ramon Zancello and Jaeoron Leutze, along with my 1st generation Glock 17 (with four 19-round extended magazines). Any other questions, ghuntlugs?

You could, of course, conduct this whole conversation (about my weapons in Switzerland) per PM, which would nattily avoid derailing the present thread subject, if it was of such importance to you, but you appear very loathe to do that, Dorky_Boy, so why's that?

MsG
 

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