Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

And all that in a pathetic effort to say: "I'm 'better' than you!" eh, Dorky_Boy? You really should ask yourself why you feel the need to do that. Quite apart from the fact that it's "t'interwebz", so you can be whatever you want to be. I also noticed that you conveniently managed to avoid mentioning the "Knirps affair". Still feeling slightly embarrassed about that, are you?

Of course, you always have the option of regarding me as unimportant in your life. That's what I do with you and the rest of the ARRSE vermin. For me, you're just some sad, desperate, self-important troll stalker who doesn't realise that it's all just virtual and not real life. What a way to end up! Desperately singing your own praises on an anonymous website in a pathetic attempt to prove you're "better" than someone else.

I really loved this bit:

What you didn't mention is that the nation in which you're a "nationally recognised expert" is Sierra Leone. But that's by the by. Was one of your "papers" entitled: "How to Blow Your Own Trumpet"?:smile::smile::smile:

MsG
Discarded chip wrappers are better than you, you smelly pigeon annoying penis.
 
In a (probably doomed) attempt to get this thread back on track, a truly terrifying interview with John McDonnell explaining that socialist countries stop being socialist at the precise moment it all goes tits up, viz Venezuela
McDonnell: Venezuela Was Not a Socialist Country - Guido Fawkes
Corbyn won't be happy!
Have you noticed how recently McDonnell is either distancing himself from Corbyn or just not supporting him. Is he keeping his powder dry for the next leadership election?
McDonnell said Chavez was doing a great job, but that after his death his successors failed to follow his Socialist plans properly, and that's what went wrong.
Actually McDonnell and Corbyn are both singing off the same score-sheet, though each may be a little off-key viz the other. Chavez was the man following the real socialist trail and Maduro went off-piste. Just like Lenin and Stalin.

McDonnell was trying his best to wriggle off the hook. But anybody reading the Venezuelan economy could see that it was Chavismo that pissed the wealth of the Venezuelan nation away, spraying the walls of the socialist urinal with unsustainable subsidies to buy votes and support from the naive, the gullible, the ignorant, the indolent, the incompetent and the envious. A sign of a socialist country is that people want to leave (e.g. USSR, GDR, Vietnam, Cuba, etc.) and the masses trying to desert the socialist paradise of Venezuela for next-door Colombia are pretty indicative.

A good example of a socialist/communist country that abandoned the socialist/communist economic model and tremendously improved its economy is China, which is communist only in name. It could still do better by democratising and further privatisation - but most of the oppressive weight of the dead hand of the command economy has been lifted and China has become an economic powerhouse. How do you explain that wrong type of socialism Messrs. McDonnell, Corbyn et al?
 
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Can anyone actually provide an example of where Socialism / Communism has actually worked for the betterment of the people as distinct from the betterment of a small cadre of dear leaders known as the Politburo?

As far as I can tell, the words Communist State are always preceded by the word "failed".

Cuba is probably the nearest but my knowledge of the place (admittedly second hand from friends who have been there for holidays) is of a very poor society where cars are so unavailable that there are 1950s American cars running round with any engine that can be made to run and that the internet and wifi are pretty much a dream and food is somewhat limited in choice and quantity.
 
Oh and let's stay on the track of deconstructing Corbyn and his communist/socialist ilk and purported policies leaving the minor individual proselytising hermits on their pillars of defunct dogma scattered throughout the ideologically desiccated desert where they belong.

Amusing though it may be, to witness the results of a quiet muttering of "Socialist Shirker", when accosted by wild-eyed lunatics attempting to thrust propaganda pamphlets into the hands of totally disinterested passers-by in Muswell Hill.
 
Oh and let's stay on the track of deconstructing Corbyn and his communist/socialist ilk and purported policies leaving the minor individual proselytising hermits on their pillars of defunct dogma scattered throughout the ideologically desiccated desert where they belong.

Amusing though it may be, to witness the results of a quiet muttering of "Socialist Shirker", when accosted by wild-eyed lunatics attempting to thrust propaganda pamphlets into the hands of totally disinterested passers-by in Muswell Hill.
The are some dangerous ones outside the Council House in Old Market Square, Nottingham. Some of them are deadly street fighters.
 

Auld-Yin

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Can anyone actually provide an example of where Socialism / Communism has actually worked for the betterment of the people as distinct from the betterment of a small cadre of dear leaders known as the Politburo?

As far as I can tell, the words Communist State are always preceded by the word "failed".

Cuba is probably the nearest but my knowledge of the place (admittedly second hand from friends who have been there for holidays) is of a very poor society where cars are so unavailable that there are 1950s American cars running round with any engine that can be made to run and that the internet and wifi are pretty much a dream and food is somewhat limited in choice and quantity.
Modern China? Although that looks more like a run of the mill dictatorship these days.
 

DaManBugs

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I'm glad we've established that.

Now back to those 2012 nominations. You obviously didn't get the required 5 endorsements from your fellow members. Why is that?
Oh, dear, Murphy’s_Whore! You made such a total twat of yourself with your hysterical and wretched attempt to pass the Septic SWP off as the UK SWP, that you’ll leave no turn unstoned to rehabilitate your,rather questionable “reputation”, eh?

Your very first obsessive thought was: “I have to prove Bugsy wrong and discredit him at all costs”. So off you went looking for members of the SWP National Committee. Most unfortunately you didn’t notice, in your desperate search for anything that halfways fitted the bill, that you were, in fact, referring to the Septic organisation. How embarrassing is that, eh?

Of course, it’s a very easy mistake to make. SWP is SWP as far as you’re concerned, because you were totally caught up in your obsessive undertaking to “prove Bugsy wrong at all costs”. Your mindless and tedious mission to discredit me at every step spectacularly boomeranged on you and made you look like the sad and obsessed doofus that you are.

Mind you, and in your defence, Murphy’s_Whore, if you look on the relevant page(s) of the atlas (in case it’s a two-page spread), then the (countries of) UK (SWP) and the US (SWP) are actually only about six to eight inches apart, so I suppose you could be forgiven for that the confusion. Given that, your geographical knowledge seems to need an urgent update.

Just to address the point at hand, and so that you refrain from tediously bringing it up again and again, (just to satisfy some entirely and mysterious desperate need that you have to “prove” you’re somehow “superior” to others, and derailing the thread again and again) I’ll briefly explain the mechanisms of SWP Conference:

The “Bulletin Two” that you mentioned is published some eight or nine weeks before Conference. We members note the points, e-mail any possible amendments, endorsements and/or counter-arguments and, at the same time, take no notice whatsoever of the list of pre-Conference nominations for the National Committee. On the 2012 list that you eagerly published to prove my, err, well, whatever you’d set your aspiring heart on approving/negating; only seven were actually members of the National Committee at the time. So far so good!

If you really knew what happens at SWP Conference, you’d be aware that by far the most of us don’t even bother with what happens in the bulletins issued three/two/one month(s) prior to Conference and much prefer to submit our applications on the first day directly at Conference, when we’re picking up our passes and folders.

That original list you published magically, and regularly, expands to 200 or more applications on the evening of the very first day of Conference. It’s continually amended right up to the democratic vote on the last day of Conference, when the final votes are counted and made known. Just saying, like.

But I’ve a serious question for you, Murphy’s_Whore: why is that is so decidedly important for you to seek any and every way you can to discredit me? Why is it so important for you whether I’m a member of the SWP National Committee or not? What am I doing that you feel you, personally, I shouldn’t/can’t do, but you want to do your utmost to prevent me doing? Explain that to me without letting on that you’re envious of me - I dare you! Best is you contact me via PM, so that you don’t further derail the present thread.

MsG
 
The British Military Open Encyclopedia - ARRSE-Pedia
Bugsy
His lying is so habitual that he often forgets he could just answer another user. Instead he decides to confuse other users by dumping more lies into the arguement. One of his more popular lies is his claim that FiveAlpha, Badger Heed, Steven Seagull and Bile Spewer are sock puppets of one person. A claim usually dished out when he's dug a hole so deep he can't look over the edge for a proper escape.

5a) Optionally, briefly divert at this stage onto the pet topic of "true" socialism, and how it is so incredibly super duper and perfect if you could only convince people about it and then we could destroy capitalism (greatest threat to the universe, don't you know?) and everyone would live happily ever after in a Lala land of fairy dust and unicorn farts free from the tyranny of people wanting self-betterment.... And breathe...

13) Finally, make the thread all about yourself. Ignore all comments which contain evidence against your opening post and instead point out how very interesting this whole topic has been so far (or “apparently there is no clear answer to this question...”) as it’s now running into 20 pages.
 
Oh, dear, Murphy’s_Whore! You made such a total twat of yourself with your hysterical and wretched attempt to pass the Septic SWP off as the UK SWP, that you’ll leave no turn unstoned to rehabilitate your,rather questionable “reputation”, eh?
Yes I made a mistake Bugsy and I am man enough to admit it without all the hysteria and name calling.

Just to address the point at hand, and so that you refrain from tediously bringing it up again and again, (just to satisfy some entirely and mysterious desperate need that you have to “prove” you’re somehow “superior” to others, and derailing the thread again and again) I’ll briefly explain the mechanisms of SWP Conference:

The “Bulletin Two” that you mentioned is published some eight or nine weeks before Conference. We members note the points, e-mail any possible amendments, endorsements and/or counter-arguments and, at the same time, take no notice whatsoever of the list of pre-Conference nominations for the National Committee. On the 2012 list that you eagerly published to prove my, err, well, whatever you’d set your aspiring heart on approving/negating; only seven were actually members of the National Committee at the time. So far so good!

If you really knew what happens at SWP Conference, you’d be aware that by far the most of us don’t even bother with what happens in the bulletins issued three/two/one month(s) prior to Conference and much prefer to submit our applications on the first day directly at Conference, when we’re picking up our passes and folders.

That original list you published magically, and regularly, expands to 200 or more applications on the evening of the very first day of Conference. It’s continually amended right up to the democratic vote on the last day of Conference, when the final votes are counted and made known. Just saying, like.
So you are not and have never been, a member of the national conference then. No problem there's no need to be ashamed. It would have been nigh on impossible for you to get 5 recommendations that weren't written in German anyway.

But I’ve a serious question for you, Murphy’s_Whore: why is that is so decidedly important for you to seek any and every way you can to discredit me? Why is it so important for you whether I’m a member of the SWP National Committee or not? What am I doing that you feel you, personally, I shouldn’t/can’t do, but you want to do your utmost to prevent me doing? Explain that to me without letting on that you’re envious of me - I dare you! Best is you contact me via PM, so that you don’t further derail the present thread.
Firstly, I do it because now and again I can get a real bite, which makes me laugh. (I know I'm a shallow individual who is easily amused) Secondly, why would I want to PM you? You seem obsessed with people sending you messages, is your inbox that empty? Who has who on follow?
 

DaManBugs

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The British Military Open Encyclopedia - ARRSE-Pedia
Bugsy
His lying is so habitual that he often forgets he could just answer another user. Instead he decides to confuse other users by dumping more lies into the arguement. One of his more popular lies is his claim that FiveAlpha, Badger Heed, Steven Seagull and Bile Spewer are sock puppets of one person. A claim usually dished out when he's dug a hole so deep he can't look over the edge for a proper escape.

5a) Optionally, briefly divert at this stage onto the pet topic of "true" socialism, and how it is so incredibly super duper and perfect if you could only convince people about it and then we could destroy capitalism (greatest threat to the universe, don't you know?) and everyone would live happily ever after in a Lala land of fairy dust and unicorn farts free from the tyranny of people wanting self-betterment.... And breathe...

13) Finally, make the thread all about yourself. Ignore all comments which contain evidence against your opening post and instead point out how very interesting this whole topic has been so far (or “apparently there is no clear answer to this question...”) as it’s now running into 20 pages.
Oh dear, oh dear! Still trying desperately to "do me down at any cost", Dorky_Boy? Why?

I notice that you've still not responded to my question about the "Murphy umbrella affair". Too embarrassing for you, or what?

In a previous post, you decided to thoroughly blow your own trumpet and proclaim what an absolutely fantastic person you are in a pathetic bid to establish some sort of "superiority" (I'm this, Bugsy is that), but it's clear that it wasn't enough by far to convince even you. So what are you going to do now to establish this "superiority over Bugsy", Dorky_Boy? Offer me out? Just to "prove" that you're "superior"? What a turd you are, fellah!

In the meantime, no-one is remotely interested in your personal wrestlings with yourself, but more than interested in the subject of the thread, so why don't you just bow out. If you're interested in engaging me on a personal basis, then PM me, but don't derail the thread further, twatface!

MsG
 
Oh, dear, Murphy’s_Whore! You made such a total twat of yourself with your hysterical and wretched attempt to pass the Septic SWP off as the UK SWP, that you’ll leave no turn unstoned to rehabilitate your,rather questionable “reputation”, eh?

Your very first obsessive thought was: “I have to prove Bugsy wrong and discredit him at all costs”. So off you went looking for members of the SWP National Committee. Most unfortunately you didn’t notice, in your desperate search for anything that halfways fitted the bill, that you were, in fact, referring to the Septic organisation. How embarrassing is that, eh?

Of course, it’s a very easy mistake to make. SWP is SWP as far as you’re concerned, because you were totally caught up in your obsessive undertaking to “prove Bugsy wrong at all costs”. Your mindless and tedious mission to discredit me at every step spectacularly boomeranged on you and made you look like the sad and obsessed doofus that you are.

Mind you, and in your defence, Murphy’s_Whore, if you look on the relevant page(s) of the atlas (in case it’s a two-page spread), then the (countries of) UK (SWP) and the US (SWP) are actually only about six to eight inches apart, so I suppose you could be forgiven for that the confusion. Given that, your geographical knowledge seems to need an urgent update.

Just to address the point at hand, and so that you refrain from tediously bringing it up again and again, (just to satisfy some entirely and mysterious desperate need that you have to “prove” you’re somehow “superior” to others, and derailing the thread again and again) I’ll briefly explain the mechanisms of SWP Conference:

The “Bulletin Two” that you mentioned is published some eight or nine weeks before Conference. We members note the points, e-mail any possible amendments, endorsements and/or counter-arguments and, at the same time, take no notice whatsoever of the list of pre-Conference nominations for the National Committee. On the 2012 list that you eagerly published to prove my, err, well, whatever you’d set your aspiring heart on approving/negating; only seven were actually members of the National Committee at the time. So far so good!

If you really knew what happens at SWP Conference, you’d be aware that by far the most of us don’t even bother with what happens in the bulletins issued three/two/one month(s) prior to Conference and much prefer to submit our applications on the first day directly at Conference, when we’re picking up our passes and folders.

That original list you published magically, and regularly, expands to 200 or more applications on the evening of the very first day of Conference. It’s continually amended right up to the democratic vote on the last day of Conference, when the final votes are counted and made known. Just saying, like.

But I’ve a serious question for you, Murphy’s_Whore: why is that is so decidedly important for you to seek any and every way you can to discredit me? Why is it so important for you whether I’m a member of the SWP National Committee or not? What am I doing that you feel you, personally, I shouldn’t/can’t do, but you want to do your utmost to prevent me doing? Explain that to me without letting on that you’re envious of me - I dare you! Best is you contact me via PM, so that you don’t further derail the present thread.

MsG

Splitter!
 

DaManBugs

LE
Book Reviewer
Yes I made a mistake Bugsy and I am man enough to admit it without all the hysteria and name calling.
The main problem is that you've never admitted it, Murphy's _Whore. You just hoped that folks would "forget" it. You fücked up bigtime, fella, because you were absolutely delirious that you'd found something that "disproved" what I said. But for you it was just: "I made a mistake", instead of declaring your true objecitve to to discredit me because you're envious (for whatever reason).
So you are not and have never been, a member of the national conference then. No problem there's no need to be ashamed. It would have been nigh on impossible for you to get 5 recommendations that weren't written in German anyway.
So you, personally, know what the results of various votes to the SWP National Committee were and are without even being privy to the voting system. That's equivalent to saying: "I was right, whatever the outcome". Well done, fella!
Firstly, I do it because now and again I can get a real bite, which makes me laugh. (I know I'm a shallow individual who is easily amused) Secondly, why would I want to PM you? You seem obsessed with people sending you messages, is your inbox that empty? Who has who on follow?
Why would a "real bite" make you laugh, Murphy's_Whore? Why would you be interested in a "bite" in the first place? You've been stratching at my alleged "reputation" on ARRSE for ten years of more, mush. What is it that offends you about me so profoundly that you feel forced to obsessively pursue me for more than a decade in the forlorn hope that someday, somehow, folks are going to declare you "superior" to me?

MsG
 
@DaManBugs
As you are referring to tge SWP, and it has 'socialist' and 'party' in tbe name can you give a quick personal opinion on tbe SWP?

Does it run in elections, and if so does it have any elected councellors or run any councils.

We may as well have a quick run down on the SWP as you seem to be saying posters are confused about it.
 
I'm glad we've established that.

Now back to those 2012 nominations. You obviously didn't get the required 5 endorsements from your fellow members. Why is that?
Oh, dear, Murphy’s_Whore! You made such a total twat of yourself with your hysterical and wretched attempt to pass the Septic SWP off as the UK SWP, that you’ll leave no turn unstoned to rehabilitate your,rather questionable “reputation”, eh?

Your very first obsessive thought was: “I have to prove Bugsy wrong and discredit him at all costs”. So off you went looking for members of the SWP National Committee. Most unfortunately you didn’t notice, in your desperate search for anything that halfways fitted the bill, that you were, in fact, referring to the Septic organisation. How embarrassing is that, eh?

Of course, it’s a very easy mistake to make. SWP is SWP as far as you’re concerned, because you were totally caught up in your obsessive undertaking to “prove Bugsy wrong at all costs”. Your mindless and tedious mission to discredit me at every step spectacularly boomeranged on you and made you look like the sad and obsessed doofus that you are.

Mind you, and in your defence, Murphy’s_Whore, if you look on the relevant page(s) of the atlas (in case it’s a two-page spread), then the (countries of) UK (SWP) and the US (SWP) are actually only about six to eight inches apart, so I suppose you could be forgiven for that the confusion. Given that, your geographical knowledge seems to need an urgent update.

Just to address the point at hand, and so that you refrain from tediously bringing it up again and again, (just to satisfy some entirely and mysterious desperate need that you have to “prove” you’re somehow “superior” to others, and derailing the thread again and again) I’ll briefly explain the mechanisms of SWP Conference:

The “Bulletin Two” that you mentioned is published some eight or nine weeks before Conference. We members note the points, e-mail any possible amendments, endorsements and/or counter-arguments and, at the same time, take no notice whatsoever of the list of pre-Conference nominations for the National Committee. On the 2012 list that you eagerly published to prove my, err, well, whatever you’d set your aspiring heart on approving/negating; only seven were actually members of the National Committee at the time. So far so good!

If you really knew what happens at SWP Conference, you’d be aware that by far the most of us don’t even bother with what happens in the bulletins issued three/two/one month(s) prior to Conference and much prefer to submit our applications on the first day directly at Conference, when we’re picking up our passes and folders.

That original list you published magically, and regularly, expands to 200 or more applications on the evening of the very first day of Conference. It’s continually amended right up to the democratic vote on the last day of Conference, when the final votes are counted and made known. Just saying, like.

But I’ve a serious question for you, Murphy’s_Whore: why is that is so decidedly important for you to seek any and every way you can to discredit me? Why is it so important for you whether I’m a member of the SWP National Committee or not? What am I doing that you feel you, personally, I shouldn’t/can’t do, but you want to do your utmost to prevent me doing? Explain that to me without letting on that you’re envious of me - I dare you! Best is you contact me via PM, so that you don’t further derail the present thread.

MsG
Didn't read it.
 

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