Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

Well, I once got as far as Hamburg with my wife’s passport.

To be fair it was a very very early flight and I don’t think anyone was paying much attention. Least of all me.


By the time I hit the little Krautplod booths they’d had a coffee though.

Cue several hours filling forms in. I ended up with a Schengen (sp?) passport and a German bobby making jokes about me being German now and arresting me for not doing National Service.


Hahaha.


Mostly my fault I suppose.


Don’t get me wrong, ID for voting is fine by me; so long as

A. It’s not used to undermine the secrecy of the ballot and

B. It’s introduced sensibly, fairly and not precipitously.
A. in no way would it undermine the secrecy of the ballot! - quite simple, present your polling card and proof of ID at the desk, get your ballot paper in return, go to booth and add cross, take ballot paper to the post box - job jobbed!

B. Sensible introduction - public statement by govt as soon as possible, media briefing(s), posters and the odd advert - add 'need to present id' to instructions on polling card in bold large print - job jobbed! - the mongs who do not comply will learn the hard way and wont make the same mistake again - would be useful to record their numbers and names to see if they go away and come back with ID then compare it to how many votes Labour lose!
 
the mongs who do not comply will learn the hard way and wont make the same mistake again - would be useful to record their numbers and names to see if they go away and come back with ID then compare it to how many votes Labour lose!
I have only seen the numbers form Gosport but 116 turned up without ID and 72 returned later to vote. It didn't say if they investigated the 44 who did not return. As a trial I would think that they took account of these numbers/people to see how it went. It would be nice to see the data when it all comes in. At this point it does not seem that it had any effect on turnout.
 
The one major flaw in that cunning plan today would be there are no EMPTY council houses to collect polling cards from!

Make everybody, everywhere produce ID to vote. End postal fraud by strictly limiting those who qualify for it. 'I work shifts/I'm out of the country' is not good enough. Swap your shift or vote at a consulate/embassy abroad. Severely disabled/In hospital/live in remote locations acceptable. Job jobbed and fair to all.
I believe that's the Tories ( nasty racist ) plan currently being complained about
 
A. It’s not used to undermine the secrecy of the ballot and
What? People still think a vote is secret? Any ballot paper (for the pedants: As used in a General election) can be tracked. The issue is, like many wibble headed fantasies about controlling the vote and punishing those who don't vote the right way is the amount of votes involved.
 
From today's Politico London Playbook Newsletter (POLITICO London Playbook, presented by Dalradian Gold: Kim vs. Trump — Labour’s humbling experience — Carillion in the dock)

Left split in Lewisham: Momentum last night confirmed it is backing activist Sakina Sheikh to be Labour’s candidate in Lewisham East. With Unite (and so probably Jeremy Corbyn’s office) lined up behind NEC member Claudia Webbe, the big new dividing line among pro-Corbyn supporters will again be exposed at this weekend’s selection meeting. Who knows, the split may even allow one of the local party’s two candidates — local Councillor Brenda Dacre or Deputy Mayor Janet Daby — to come through the middle and win the day. The Guardian’s Jessica Elgot has a good summary.

Which socialist is the real socialist?
Splitter!
The problem is that both frontrunners are Marxist Moonhowlers and the locally preferred candidates unlikely to get a look in.

Also seen in the same place:
JezFest: Playbook hears the upcoming pro-Corbyn musical festival has now been nicknamed “Labour Dive” by cynical staffers, due to the paucity of decent bands and low ticket sales. As Stephen Bush reports, the problem is basically that the party is trying to put on a big music event on without spending the sort of money you need for well-known headline acts.
 
What? People still think a vote is secret? Any ballot paper (for the pedants: As used in a General election) can be tracked. The issue is, like many wibble headed fantasies about controlling the vote and punishing those who don't vote the right way is the amount of votes involved.

Hang on, I haven’t paid attention then. I thought you hand in the document allowing you a ballot, you receive an unidentifiable polling card (the one with all the twats’ names on), do your stuff with the blunt pencil & pop it in the box.


Is there a link between the two pieces of paper?

(Genuine question here. I’ve got “A” level politics. I take this stuff seriously).
 
No... this is what you said...
... but now you expect us to believe that you negotiated yourself a £500 day rise on top of whatever you were already getting for the ten days?

Are there any spare clouds in your very own patch of cuckoo land eh Bugsy Minor?

Oh dear.


I’m on contract. I get a day rate. I’m in the very lucky position of getting the day rate regardless of actual attendance (up to a point) as I’m ‘on call’ for a proportion of my time.

Hence, another contract requiring 5 days of site work and 5 days of writing -at £500 a day- is doable on top.


If you ask a passing 4 year old to do the sums for you it will save you taking your socks off.
 
Hang on, I haven’t paid attention then. I thought you hand in the document allowing you a ballot, you receive an unidentifiable polling card (the one with all the twats’ names on), do your stuff with the blunt pencil & pop it in the box.


Is there a link between the two pieces of paper?

(Genuine question here. I’ve got “A” level politics. I take this stuff seriously).
If memory serves there's a barcode or identifier number on the ballot paper. Also when you walk up to the people with the register they ID you (or not as the case may be), then they pass along a number to their co-workers who mark it in a book. This is a nice tidy paper trail that can, theoretically tie any ballot to anyone person.

Of course the conspiracy theorists will tell you its all crazy government/lizard control methods. But its not, there's a few problems with doing exactly that, chief amongst them is volume of votes, and knowing which ballot is in which bag (which are apparently stored for a year). It's also illegal to try to link a ballot paper to a person, without high court approval. Equally I suspect you'd need some for of evidence of irregularities or exceptional circumstances to even try.
But theoretically you can trace a ballot back, assuming you had access to the ballot papers and the relevant documents it would be matter of simplicity to cross reference the ballot ID number, with the name and Address of the person who cast it.
 
If memory serves there's a barcode or identifier number on the ballot paper. Also when you walk up to the people with the register they ID you (or not as the case may be), then they pass along a number to their co-workers who mark it in a book. This is a nice tidy paper trail that can, theoretically tie any ballot to anyone person.

Of course the conspiracy theorists will tell you its all crazy government/lizard control methods. But its not, there's a few problems with doing exactly that, chief amongst them is volume of votes, and knowing which ballot is in which bag (which are apparently stored for a year). It's also illegal to try to link a ballot paper to a person, without high court approval. Equally I suspect you'd need some for of evidence of irregularities or exceptional circumstances to even try.
But theoretically you can trace a ballot back, assuming you had access to the ballot papers and the relevant documents it would be matter of simplicity to cross reference the ballot ID number, with the name and Address of the person who cast it.


Hmmm. I’m going to give that a couple of coats of thinking-over.

Thanks.
 
You'd think the SJW warriors like Lily Allen would play for free, it's not like they need the money being filthy rich champagne socialists after all
In the workers' paradises socialist acts get subsidised by the state - but they have to stay on message.
Not enough loot in the people's coffers for that yet - the Party needs to get hold of the taxpayers money first.
 

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