Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

**** know what country you live in, but in the UK there are a lot more than two parties to vote for plus a few independents.
Labour and the Tories have shared power long enough. We had a blip with Clegg's Liberal Democrats and that all but destroyed his party. Now we are back to normal.

Voting for other parties is valuable and can force change but don't pretend that we live in anything but a two-party state. The only people alive today who were born in Britain under a non-coalition government that are not the usual suspects are Bessie Camm and Olive Boar, who are 113 years old.

Everybody else younger than those two ladies has seen nothing but Labour and Tory governments.
 
Labour and the Tories have shared power long enough. We had a blip with Clegg's Liberal Democrats and that all but destroyed his party. Now we are back to normal.

Voting for other parties is valuable and can force change but don't pretend that we live in anything but a two-party state. The only people alive today who were born in Britain under a non-coalition government that are not the usual suspects are Bessie Camm and Olive Boar, who are 113 years old.

Everybody else younger than those two ladies have seen nothing but Labour and Tory governments.
Im not pretending we dont live in a two party state, I know that we dont.
A two party state would have two parties, we have about 35.
 
No you don't.
Because that way you lose direct representation via a constituency MP.
And your party's seats in the house are the top X names on their list.
So IF a member is a potential moonhowler, like the Labour candidate for Worcester, or an old-school-tie Tory, but gets enough internal party votes, they'll be high on the list and guaranteed a seat, as opposed to going toe-to-toe in a constituency where they'd be hande their ass by the opposition.
Not so: the "alternative vote" system is one where you're still voting for a constituency MP in exactly the same manner as now, only if no one candidate gets 50.1% of the vote, voters' whose first preference came 3rd or worse then have their "alternative" choice of candidate come into play.
It's still not perfect viz national share of the vote but far better than FPTP.
 
So what proportion of those suspended or accused of anti-semitism are Muslim then? Here’s a clue, whilst it’s there, it’s not a big one.
One would almost think Labour didn't want to address antisemitism amongst a certain religious demographic within the Party for fear of losing their support...
 
I've just had a look at the BBC News website & in particular their UK & Politics pages.
Apart from one 40 second, sidebar video link, there is no mention of this meeting whatsoever.
I guess its conclusions doesn't fit with the BBC's support for the left, no matter what...
 
Not so: the "alternative vote" system is one where you're still voting for a constituency MP in exactly the same manner as now, only if no one candidate gets 50.1% of the vote, voters' whose first preference came 3rd or worse then have their "alternative" choice of candidate come into play.
It's still not perfect viz national share of the vote but far better than FPTP.
The post you quoted was in response to a call for Proportional Representation. The system you describe is not PR. We already have the system you describe in use for local council elections, and it confuses people, and should be explained a lot better. We also have a hybrid fptp/PR system for the election of MSPs in Scotland where some seats are constituency seats, with voters voting directly for individuals, and some seats are allocated to parties, where the left-over votes for individuals are used to hand out seats to the party of those individuals, and the party decides (beforehand, by means of a list) who gets those seats, which means people can be elected without anyone voting for them.
 

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Ouch...

Jeremy Corbyn himself has associated with Holocaust denial promulgators Paul Eisen and Dyab Abou Jahjah; supported 9/11 conspiracy theorist Stephen Sizer and blood libel cleric Raed Salah; expressed support for a mural with crude stereotypes of Jewish bankers; and Ken Livingstone still has not been thrown out of the party despite his claims about Hitler and Zionism.

Corbyn blames antisemitism on “individuals on the fringes of the movement of solidarity with the Palestinian people”, but never seems to ask why he personally has been so close to people with these views, or if there is anything intrinsic to his own political culture that attracts antisemites.
 
The only people alive today who were born in Britain under a non-coalition government that are not the usual suspects are Bessie Camm and Olive Boar, who are 113 years old.

Everybody else younger than those two ladies has seen nothing but Labour and Tory governments.
Unless I’ve misread your post you’re some ten years out: Asquith led a Liberal government till he formed the first WW1 coalition in May 1915, so there are probably several hundred Britons still alive who were born before then.
 
One would almost think Labour didn't want to address antisemitism amongst a certain religious demographic within the Party for fear of losing their support...
Interesting comment, was in Australia before Christmas and noted comment in press there that the rise in antisemitism in Oz was due to Aus Lab courting the Islamic vote there.
 

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