Compulsory Drug Testing (CDT)

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  1. Just opened this thread to ask does anyone (not guesswork) know what they are testing for ?

    We had a brief by Regty 2 I/C to say that some supplements, one being http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0037R7X8U/?tag=armrumser-21 are banned on CDT, yet they are being sold in Pri shops around the British Isles, and that the only safe Supplements are on the Home | Informed-Sport website, although why ? if you don't do a sporting event does this matter ?

    http://www.army.mod.uk/documents/general/alcohol_and_drugs_-_the_facts.pdf

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/43294/Ch21.pdf

    I have looked around the Intranet and www and cannot find what they are actually testing for, as there is no information and with this ever changing reduction of manpower, who easy it would be to add to the list.

    Grenade=CDT fail

    So from a fatboy looking at different supplements, sold legally in UK/PX/BATUS where can I find definitive answers.

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  2. My understanding is, that if it is on the informed sport website it won't test positive in CDT for a banned or illegal substance. If it isn't there and you take it anyway, you risk testing positive for some nasty and the consequences that go with it.

    Ask your PTI or do some googling as I am sure there is policy that covers it.
     
  3. I remember being told (not sure how true it is though) that many of the supplements that would fail a CDT do so because they contain masking agents and not because they contain any banned substances.
     
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  4. PS2(A) DISCIPLINE ADVICE – 01/2011 UNREGULATED USE OF SUPPLEMENTS AND THE HEIGHTENED RISK OF CDT POSITIVE RESULTS

    Background

    1. Over recent months there has been increasing concern over the use of supplements, which are purchased legally over the counter, and used to aid and enhance the effects of body building practises. As a direct result of their incorrect use, the possibility of the provision of a positive drugs test is increased. An additional issue is the use of expired prescriptions by Service Personnel or that of prescription belonging to other family members.

    2. General. Supplements sold within the European Union (EU) have strict rules regarding the ratio of Testosterone permitted. It is measured in a ratio against the body’s naturally produced epi-testosterone or ‘epimer’; supplements contain a ratio of 1 part testosterone to 3 parts epimer .The International Olympic Committee (OIC) has mandated that a ratio of 1:7 will result in a drugs failure for athletes competing in sports events, this ratio will also trigger a positive drug result within UK law.

    3. Banned Substances. The following list identifies generic ingredients found in supplements and sports drinks that are directly banned by the IOC: Ephedrine, Pseudoephedrine, Strychnine, Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), Androstenedione, Androstenediol, 19-norandrostenedione or norandrostenediol and related compounds.

    4. The Law. The use of non prescribed class C medications is illegal in both civil and service law under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. The Armed Forces Compulsory Drugs Testing Team (AFCDT) test for a number of such medicines under the group classification of Benzodiazepines. Legally used prescription medicines must be disclosed at the time of CDT donation.
    5. Positive CDT. Instructions in relation to correct usage of all medicines or supplements are clearly displayed on the packaging; however, the desire to achieve quick results inevitably leads to their overuse and the provision of a positive AFCDT. A positive result can also be produced in a number of other ways:

    a. The supplement contains a banned substance as a stated ingredient, but the individual is not aware that the substance is banned or that it acts to cause a positive drug test;

    b. The supplement contains a banned substance within stated ingredients, but the individual is unaware of the relationship between the products. For example, athletes may not recognise that
    Ma Huang herbal products contain ephedrine; and,

    c. The supplement contains banned substances that are not declared as a stated ingredient. These ingredients may be added deliberately and not declared, or added inadvertently as by-products of other ingredients or occur as contaminants of the production process.

    In general, single product supplements like creatine, protein, and chromium piconolate, in their pure form, are not banned. However, it must be stressed that there is no guarantee that other substances are not included.

    6. Availability. Individuals have ready access to supplements from overseas via mail order, Internet sales and PX locations. Consequently, it is important that a global understanding of the regulation of supplements is developed. For example, in countries such as the US, there is less regulation of the production and marketing of supplements than under the EU system. This can be readily witnessed in the sale of pro-hormones. Pro-hormones are permitted ingredients in over-the-counter preparations, supplements and sports foods and are available from PX locations in Afghanistan and Germany.

    7. CO’s Responsibility. Civil and Service law prohibits the possession of anabolic steroids. Service law additionally forbids steroid misuse and identifies a number of notices that are to be displayed on routine orders at regular intervals. CO’s are to ensure that the Drugs Misuse Policy (Annex B to Chapter 4 to JSP 835) in relation to Misuse of Drugs, Solvents, other Substances, Misuse of Anabolic Steroids and CDT, is published in Standing Orders and repeated at intervals not exceeding 3 months. Notices relating to drug abuse prevention sweeps by Service Police Search Dog Teams and Service Police Confidential phone lines are to be published in Routine Orders and repeated at intervals not exceeding 6 months.

    8. Education. To address the issues surrounding steroid, supplement and prescription medicine misuse, AD PS2(A) has directed the Drug Awareness Programme (DAP) and CDTO training will be enhanced, in order to deliver supplement and prescription medicine information. The enhanced education will focus on the dangers, not only to individual careers but also personal health and the wider impact on operational effectiveness. Further media campaigns have been and continue to be used, to identify the dangers of steroid and supplement use. Unit Health Trainer development includes tools enabling trainers to signpost and offer nutritional information to individuals.

    9. Unit Drug Policies. Unit drug policies should include measures to educate and tackle the supplement and prescription misuse that may affect unit personnel.

    10. In sum, PS2 (A) has identified the increased threat from uneducated supplement and prescription medicine misuse which includes the use of steroids and benzodiazepines. The additional measures implemented will be closely monitored as will results from CDT positive steroid and benzodiazepine analysis. Where questions remain the undersigned should be contacted in the first instance.
     
  5. So does that have any bearing on what's allowed under CDT? Because - for example - pseudoephedrine is found in over-the-counter cold remedies.
     
  6. If you test positive for sports related substances you will only get your wrists slapped. It's not like getting a positive with Cocaine.

    edited to add: as long as you can prove it's one of those anyway!
     
  7. I would have thought the answer is to tell the conducting personnel that you are taking Megagaymusclebuilderproteinoidjizz (r) before you give a sample. It's more likely to become a problem if you test positive and then start making excuses related to supplements.
     
  8. msr

    msr LE

    Or save your money and eat a sensible diet. For the vast majority of people there is more than enough protein in your food anyway.
     
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  9. We had a bloke kicked out after he was caught taking steroids.
     
  10. I would really like to know who writes this crap - the average 18yr old tom would look at that document, shrug and pour another scoop of Megagaymusclebuilderproteinoidjizz (r) into his shaker and crack on.

    Whilst I understand it has to stand up to legal scrutiny, what would be wrong with:

    "List A - these are safe
    List B - these are dodgy if you go over the limit.
    List C - don't touch these with a barge pole.

    Anything else, get in touch with this website and we will try and help you out but until we get back to you don't let a gram of it pass your lips".
     
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  11. msr

    msr LE

  12. Because the army is run by retards, who after one year of middling education get told they are better than every other ******, and get an orifice rank.
     
  13. Products will change all the time as will contents. It's not the same as licensed medication.