Complete UK Sub fleet to move to Faslane

#1
Seems as if the Trafalgar subs based at Plymouth are on their way N to Scotland.

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8035556.stm

Was it not so very long ago that there was a scare about Scottish Independence with Devonport being mooted as the eventual long term home of the sub fleet? Didn't take them long to change their minds....

Does that also mean that some of the refit capability will be moving N too?
 
#2
Well the government seems determined to destroy Devonport even through they say otherwise constantly so 'breath holding' not recommended
 
#5
But what we are doing is concentrating all our risk in one place

Does no one in the MoD/Government understand the simple principle of EGGS and BASKETS
 
#7
halo_jones said:
spike7451 said:
It would make sense as Faslane has a submarine dry dock & the large wep storage depot in the hills.
and Devonport doesnt...
Not to the extent of Faslane I gather.
(My brother was a submariner at Faslane for nerly his whole RN career)
 
#8
Tuesday

The government continues to refuse to give a definite answer on whether Britain will keep three naval bases.

"Armed forces minister Bob Ainsworth was evasive in giving a definite answer on the future of Devonport. He consistently told MPs that the Royal Navy needed all three bases. But later in the same debate he spoke of the need to create efficiency savings and to make changes.

"Of course, things will change over time. They cannot stay as they are. If we are to optimise the benefits of proper management of all our naval bases, things will inevitably change," Ainsworth said in remarks that will bring little comfort to the Plymouth.

He denied reports that the submarines at Devonport were to be moved to Faslane and the frigates to Portsmouth. There are also no plans to close Devonport in 2015 according to Ainsworth, but he refused to say if that was a permanent decision. "


http://www.defencemanagement.com/news_story.asp?id=9377


Wednesday

Nuclear sub fleet moved to Clyde

"The Faslane naval base on the Clyde is to become home to the UK's entire nuclear-powered submarine fleet, the BBC understands.

An announcement on the future of the UK's naval submarines is expected to be made in the House of Commons later"


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8035556.stm

If, as suggested elsewhere, surface fleet goes to Portsmouth, what is left for Devonport? Plymouth economy as whole will go down the crapper
 
#9
halo_jones said:
Well the government seems determined to destroy Devonport even through they say otherwise constantly so 'breath holding' not recommended
The same points were being raised when Rosyth was being run down; it had the best facilities of all three dockyards and all the work went to Devonport. It doesn't matter who has the best or what the best idea is, the MOD will decide and thats it, no ifs, no buts.
 
#10
all three yards imo should be retained but i sense that
"cloudbuster" post Re: 'the Scottish Vote' has hit a nail squarely.
 
#11
spike7451 said:
halo_jones said:
spike7451 said:
It would make sense as Faslane has a submarine dry dock & the large wep storage depot in the hills.
and Devonport doesnt...
Not to the extent of Faslane I gather.
(My brother was a submariner at Faslane for nerly his whole RN career)
But Devonport has the capability to carry out full refits, something that doesn't exist in Faslane.

At the end of the day this has all the signs of the money following the votes, Labour have more chance of retaining seats around Faslane than they do around Plymouth I suspect.
 
#12
English jobs for Scottish workers..

And you all thought it would stop after Swan Hunters was closed down. The sooner we get English independence, the sooner that we can send the one eyed tyrant home.

I do trust a Tory administration will move the jobs and the subs home to where they belong, England?
 
#14
Plymouth's naval base could become a "nuclear dustbin" for decommissioned nuclear-powered submarines, BBC News has been told.

There is concern Plymouth-based frigates are to be moved to Portsmouth naval base and serving nuclear-powered submarines to Scotland.

An informed source said such moves would harm Plymouth's economy.

So Devonport would be offered work to scrap old nuclear submarines as a "sweetener", he said.
My Bold

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8004492.stm

Nice trade we got there...
 
#15
TCM

So Scotland isn't part of the UK then?

This will not help the South West economy, a part of the UK that isn't the most prosperous.

Two cynical thoughts:

1. It will help the Treasury justify moving other ships away from Devonport - and then close it.
2. It will be used to jutify more cuts to submarine numbers.

During the Cold War it was expected that the Soviets would use deeply laid mines on the seabed of the Firth of Clyde and surrounding areas to prevent submarines from deploying from Faslane or from the US base at Holy Loch. The threat was considered serious enough for a class of (RNR manned) minesweepers to be built specifically to deal with it. Whilst the Soviet threat is no more, it does underline the level of risk in having one submarine base. The threat from mines does remain.
 
#16
well , the Trafalgar fleet is seven and I think that's it. Saying that there is generally one or two of them up there anyway.
 
#17
The_Coming_Man said:
English jobs for Scottish workers..

And you all thought it would stop after Swan Hunters was closed down. The sooner we get English independence, the sooner that we can send the one eyed tyrant home.

I do trust a Tory administration will move the jobs and the subs home to where they belong, England?
What a load of rubbish, what about when Rosyth had all the dry docks and the ability to hold all the subs and do all the refit work? The Tory's moved it all south for no gain? It doesnt matter where they go we dont have the money to do anything with them anyway, they will rust away in the dockyard
 
#18
The_Borderer said:
The_Coming_Man said:
English jobs for Scottish workers..

And you all thought it would stop after Swan Hunters was closed down. The sooner we get English independence, the sooner that we can send the one eyed tyrant home.

I do trust a Tory administration will move the jobs and the subs home to where they belong, England?
What a load of rubbish, what about when Rosyth had all the dry docks and the ability to hold all the subs and do all the refit work? The Tory's moved it all south for no gain? It doesnt matter where they go we dont have the money to do anything with them anyway, they will rust away in the dockyard
Hell theres a nice big hole next door where they where half way through making a major new basin for the subs.
 
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#19
Now the enimy has only one target to attack :!: ------ and the whole world knowes where it now is :!:
 
#20
ALVIN said:
Now the enimy has only one target to attack :!: ------ and the whole world knowes where it now is :!:
They can even find in on Google Maps, and through cunning use of the distance measurement tool discover that our submarines are approximately 137m long.
 

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