Apparently the Brazilian shot on the Underground was shot with "Dum dum" bullets: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/16/nmenez16.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/11/16/ixnewstop.html The Torygraph makes great pains to mention that their use is banned under the Hague convention. So what? I, for one, am glad that the rozzers are using JHP rather than FMJ - just imagine the outcry if a bystander were to be killed due to over-penetration (for which 9mm Para FMJ is famous). According to the Journo, hollow point bullets are... "designed to splinter in the body". What complete and utter rot! Also," the effect on victims is devastating". Isn't that the point? It's tragic that the chap died, as has been discussed at great length, but non-stories like this are only going to endanger innocent people's lives if they force the police to use FMJ for political reasons rather than choosing the right bullet for the job. AARGH!