Competition Sig550 vs. SA80 be part of it

#1
Gentlemen,

Challenge here: http://www.arrse.co.uk/vbcms-comments/165905-article-victorinox-soldiers-knife-2.html#post3839821 (post 27) I have been challenged by putteesinmyhands and I propose a little competition (details to be defined) between the almighty SA80, operated by putteesinmyhands and myself, using a standard Sig 550 as issued to the Swiss Armed forces. I imagine it will be a 300 and/or 400 meter prone challenge (not too fussed really), either in Bisely, if we can organise these weapons to be used side by side there or it might have to be another place, suggestions welcome.

Not sure if such a thing has been done before on this site, but is anyone willing to take the bets yet?

As to the background of this: putteesinmyhands thinks that an army that has never been in any conflict knows "not much" about product developement (post 21 in the same thread). I had put it to him that this could not be true as his much loved Swiss Champ is manufactured by the same company who historically supplied most of the Swiss Army knives. I believe the ability to manufacture great kit is not necessarily directly related to ones' armed forces capabilities, a point I find is amplified beautifully by these two assault rifles, hence my comparison between the two and I am glad I was taken up on the challenge.
 
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#2
Please include 10 rnds at 300m - take the fecking thing apart, lay out on your shelter half, jog to the 200m mark, jog back, put the thing back together again and another 10 rnds at 300m.

Never actually touched a SA80 myself of course but I'm trying to think of a rifle if issued I'd have to say that I would prefer a SA80 to whatever they gave me.
 
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#3
I'd forgotten the cleaning after the exercise bit - I hope there is a an inspection and a sandbag for the afternoon for the loser.
 
#4
Can we have a river crossing and 400 rounds through each first?
 
#8
No issue with most of the above, happy to field strip, clean, assemble etc and physical activity mixed in as well (bear in mind that I would be considered a near retiree on this forum). Though the competition is about the arms, not so much about the shooters. No issue with an audience or being shouted at, my hearing isn't too good anymore anyway. Also I won't be needing the keys to the armoury as I'd be happy to bring my own gear.

Five Alpha, are you volunteering as Umpire?
 
#9
Now, where the hell do I start with this?

viceroy is evidently on some mind-expanding substance. From a thread, nay an article, about an arse-about-tit knife manufactured by a much respected (by me, at least) Swiss company to rifles at dawn. Somehow he has the impression that I've challenged him to a shooting competition.

So, please read the thread that viceroy linked to in his first post and identify which of us has lost it.

Relevant quotes:

I think it's the very next thing and I can't wait to get mine and spend the next four hundred years hiding my fat arse behind a mountain, whittling chocolate dildoes with it, all whilst pretending to be a proud armed neutral state with a long history of not fighting and overlooking those minor incoinveniences of history such as the entirely sucessful French invasion of 1798 and the unresisted passage of Nazi german troops through the country on their way to invade France.

Hopp ******* Schwiiz indeed!
viceroy said:
Remind me what that rant has to do with the knife?
putteesinmyhands said:
Something to do with the army of the manufacturing nation not having a lot of practical experience in product development?
viceroy said:
What a load of bull. Would you like the compare the Sig 550 with the SA80?
putteesinmyhands said:
Yes, please. Name a time and place and I'll confirm whether it's convenient. Iron sights if possible.
(To clarify, I've only used optics once and couldn't hit a thing with them)

viceroy said:
I accept your challenge.
Since then he's been hounding my inbox, suggesting that I get hold of an SA80 and take it to Switzerland. I've tried to explain and even offered to bring the challenge back to relevance with a competition between my practical and sharpenable Swiss Champ and his back-to-front chuck-away-when-blunt Soldier's Knife.

Now, as I understand the sequence, cernunnos made a comment that viceroy couldn't understand. I suggested an explanation. From out of nowhere, viceroy asked if I'd like to compare two rifles and I replied that I would. And somehow, he has the impression that I've offered him a challenge.

His PMs to me have claimed that I think the SA80 is the best weapon on the planet. Come on, would someone who used an SLR even dream of claiming that?

Now, I'm not averse to a fun shoot to compare the weapons (as I understood the original offer was), but if it's going to be a competition with the honour of the rifles and firers at stake, then I want a decent gat and a bit of practice. SLR and 10 rounds should be enough.
 
#11
Most Regulars my age retired 12 years ago.
Excellent, no handycaps needed then. And when I talk 300 or 400 meters I of course talk about iron sights. Come on, roll with it, it'll be fun!
 
#12
...and if someone can provide me with an SLR, can we up the range to 600m and use Fig 12s - painted orange 'cos my eyes aren't what they used to be?
 

Alsacien

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#13
Now, I'm not averse to a fun shoot to compare the weapons (as I understood the original offer was), but if it's going to be a competition with the honour of the rifles and firers at stake, then I want a decent gat and a bit of practice. SLR and 10 rounds should be enough.
If the timing was right, I could probably arrange for an SLR and 10 rounds to be at your disposal in der Schweiz....presuming neither of you are fruit loops of course.
It will get well stuffed by a Sig 550 though......
 

Grumblegrunt

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#14
well the way they train the swiss to engage beyond 600m I think it should be iron sights at 800m.
 
#16
well the way they train the swiss to engage beyond 600m I think it should be iron sights at 800m.
Let's stick to limit of the sights, shall we?

I'll have you know that in my heyday 30 years ago, I could achieve the same grouping at 600m as I could at 100m. Unfortunately, that was only impressive at 600m.
 
#17
in der Schweiz it will inevitably be 300mtrs.
Why? I thought Switzerland was a big place. Oh, I get it - it's finding somewhere flat, isn't it.

They do have a military target similiar to a Fig 11.
We can cut it in half.

I can put a SUIT on it for you.
No thanks. I prefer the informal look.
My comments in red.
 
#18
putteesinmyhands can you make it to Switzerland at some point? I can get us Access to a 300m stand, anything longer than that will be difficult but is possible, theoretically. However, the deal was SA80 vs. Sig550, but what the hell if you want it to be an SLR, so be it.

Alsacien, you are the resident traveling arms expert, could something like this not be imagined to take place in the UK at all? like that we could make it an Arrser crawl at the same time, shouting all the abuse and what not...
 

Alsacien

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#19
putteesinmyhands can you make it to Switzerland at some point? I can get us Access to a 300m stand, anything longer than that will be difficult but is possible, theoretically. However, the deal was SA80 vs. Sig550, but what the hell if you want it to be an SLR, so be it.

Alsacien, you are the resident traveling arms expert, could something like this not be imagined to take place in the UK at all? like that we could make it an Arrser crawl at the same time, shouting all the abuse and what not...
On a Euro firearms pass you still need a UK visitors permit - unlikely to be given for a semi-auto rifle.
No problem in der Schweiz with bringing gats in, but I have never tried with military semi-auto so a quick check would be in order just to be sure.
 
#20
in der Schweiz it will inevitably be 300mtrs. They do have a military target similiar to a Fig 11.
I can put a SUIT on it for you.
The Swiss do have something comparable to the Fig 12, but its dark green on a lighter green background, a real bummer to shoot at at 300mtrs.
 
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