Gentlemen, Challenge here: http://www.arrse.co.uk/vbcms-comments/165905-article-victorinox-soldiers-knife-2.html#post3839821 (post 27) I have been challenged by putteesinmyhands and I propose a little competition (details to be defined) between the almighty SA80, operated by putteesinmyhands and myself, using a standard Sig 550 as issued to the Swiss Armed forces. I imagine it will be a 300 and/or 400 meter prone challenge (not too fussed really), either in Bisely, if we can organise these weapons to be used side by side there or it might have to be another place, suggestions welcome. Not sure if such a thing has been done before on this site, but is anyone willing to take the bets yet? As to the background of this: putteesinmyhands thinks that an army that has never been in any conflict knows "not much" about product developement (post 21 in the same thread). I had put it to him that this could not be true as his much loved Swiss Champ is manufactured by the same company who historically supplied most of the Swiss Army knives. I believe the ability to manufacture great kit is not necessarily directly related to ones' armed forces capabilities, a point I find is amplified beautifully by these two assault rifles, hence my comparison between the two and I am glad I was taken up on the challenge.