who the hell is pte downer of 4 med regt! what kind of muppet needs to be told to put bloody gloves on if ya cold! i cant believe the mod have paid him Â£100k for being a retard and not putting gloves on because he wasnt told to! and then the cheecky whitehall alzy arses want money back from the likes of cpl duncan who is a real squaddie and went to war to fight for his country. in the good old days pte downer woulda been kicked out for being too thick and not been paid a penny! let me guess, did he use his 'PC' card?