Community Mobilization: UK Sikhs Show their Mettle

Andy_S

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#1
Sikhs are mobilizing to defend their temples, shops and community. I have to say that this is an admirable effort.
BBC News - London riots: residents cautioned over 'vigilantism'

Purely defensive op;
Community leaders speaking clearly, rationally and with dignity;
Nobody getting boozed up and going on the warpath.

There is a lot of criticism on this forum of "multiculturalism" but here we see an ethnic minority doing (IMHO) the right thing. I suspect that the communities of Middle England are far weaker, and far less able to mobilize in this kind of circumstance. (Though I would be happy to be proven wrong.)

Police response (on same page) is predictable drivel. I suggest the good constable would be better employed policing the capital, rather than making knee jerk comments about "vigilantism." If Plod was actually doing his job with even a minimum level of competence, community self-defense would be unnecessary.

But this is so obvious, it barely requires mention.
 
#3
There is a lot of criticism on this forum of "multiculturalism" but here we see an ethnic minority doing (IMHO) the right thing
Actually I think its's generally accepted on arrse that Sikhs are good blokes. Happy to be corrected but isn't the Kirpan worn as a symbol of their duty to come to the aid of those in trouble?
 

Andy_S

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Book Reviewer
#4
Sikhs have a solid martial heritage (there was talk some time back of raising a new Sikh regiment, IIRC) but I don't recall seeing any kirpans, tulwars or lances being presented to the RSM/Community leader.

Hockey sticks and lathis seem to be the order of the day.
 
#5
Sikhs are a warrior cast (not the AFV type before anyone says).

I worked as a copper in Southall. Busy as fook. Good community, but has real problems with gangs (tootey nungs and holy smokes). They're also heavily involved in the Khalistani movement Khalistan movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and raise some serious money to further that cause. It's beleived to have been responsible for the assasinations of Indira and Rajiv Ghandi.

So, despite their public appearance, they're a tough bunch, should not be underestimated and most of the younger ones treat the UK with contempt.

Appart from that, they're lovely.

If you're a copper at XS (as it was), 330 speaks. Keep safe.
 

Andy_S

LE
Book Reviewer
#9
SNIP
They must think we're as weak as ****.
SNIP

Who is 'we' and who is the corresponding 'they?'

By 'we' do you mean the rioters? Or the British establishment and 'our' once-respected institutions?

If the second, well...

The Army's rep was besmirched by the Iraqis and the Taliban.
The Navy's rep was dragged through the mud by the Iranians.
The Plod's rep is in the process of being abused, beaten, kicked-when-its-down and de-bagged by our homegrown chavs.

Thank God our nation can still boast a great football team...er, no....we have fine universities which everyone can afford to attend....hmmm, perhaps not...well, then there is our free and uncorrupt media...er, hang on...of course, our political institutions and those who man them remain above reproach...hmmm...crivens....well, we still have the great British sense of humour!

Which is just as well.
 
#10
Good on any community taking on the terrorist(for this is what they are and should be treated by the courts on this basis) chav scum and hopefully other communities will as well.
 
#15
SNIP
They must think we're as weak as ****.
SNIP

Who is 'we' and who is the corresponding 'they?'

By 'we' do you mean the rioters? Or the British establishment and 'our' once-respected institutions?

.
Let me just reiterate for the benefit if the thick.

They= the subject of the thread (3rd person plural).

We= the righteous public (1st person plural)

Written for the benefit of you (2nd person singular) thicko

No need to thank me
 
#16
Let me just reiterate for the benefit if the thick.

They= the subject of the thread (3rd person plural).

We= the righteous public (1st person plural)

Written for the benefit of you (2nd person plural) thicko

No need to thank me
I'll thank you for the reititeration. I missed the first explanation.

Why did the Sikhs think that anyone was going to loot their temple? Is there a suppy of Blackberries hidden there?

I worked at XS (what is it now?) 75 -78 and I didn't find the community very formidable.
 

Andy_S

LE
Book Reviewer
#17
Snakey:

SNIP
Let me just reiterate for the benefit if the thick.

They= the subject of the thread (3rd person plural).

We= the righteous public (1st person plural)

Written for the benefit of you (2nd person plural) thicko
SNIP

Thanks, but "first person singular" (there is just one of me, honest) here remains confused. (Probably because I'm "thick.")

Who are the "righteous public?" Non Sikhs? Non-rioters? ARRSERs?

As I understood the news clip, the Sikhs have no issue with anyone who is not rioting or threatening their hood. They may consider law enforcers weak, but I don't see how the non-rioting and/or "righteous" publics come into it.
 
#18
Snakey:

SNIP
Let me just reiterate for the benefit if the thick.

They= the subject of the thread (3rd person plural).

We= the righteous public (1st person plural)

Written for the benefit of you (2nd person plural) thicko
SNIP

Thanks, but "first person singular" (there is just one of me, honest) here remains confused. (Probably because I'm "thick.")

Who are the "righteous public?" Non Sikhs? Non-rioters? ARRSERs?

As I understood the news clip, the Sikhs have no issue with anyone who is not rioting or threatening their hood. They may consider law enforcers weak, but I don't see how the non-rioting and/or "righteous" publics come into it.
You are right and I apologise.

You is singular.
 
#20
Andy S

I mean those of a culture different to mine. They.

People of my culture, traditional British. We.

Hope that helps.
Oooooh! There's a whole new can of worms. We British are a bunch of mongrels, descended from a variety of ancestries. There's the pre-Celtic people, the Celts, the Normans, French, Vikings, Germanic people, Romans, Iberian people, etc. We are a nation of immigrants with people coming here with regularity since the end of the last ice age. Black people have been here for about 900 years. We're just a mixy-blob nation. I could go on but I'm sure you get the jist.
 
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