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  1. Out of interest, and for an article I'm currently writing. Would anyone be able to tell me, roughly, how many Commonwealth members we have serving in the army?
     
  2. I know of at least 6.

    Hope that helps
     
  3. Write to the M.O.D and ask for it under the FOI Act!
     
  4. I know a couple too, so thats eight we are sure of
     
  5. Okay, I know four, so 12 all together.

    Any ideas if approaching my local ACIO would be a good plan for that?
     
  6. There are at least 50 "Scottish" Fijians in Fally, so that's 62...
     
  7. Too slow mate ... some one has already written the article

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1871215,00.html
     
  8. Interesting, it's aided me in what I need to know but my article is in a completely different light.
     
  9. Dont work for the SCUM do you!!!!!!!
     
  10. Lol, definitely not, I'm joining the army myself, It's an article on the importance of recruitment for today's army
     
  11. The Times August 05, 2006

    'Dogs of War' ban will rob British Army of vital frontline soldiers
    From Fred Bridgland in Johannesburg and Michael Evans, Defence Editor

    South Africans answered the call to give overseas help to Britain in
    the First World War (ART ARCHIVE)

    SEVEN HUNDRED South Africans serving in Britain’s Armed Forces will
    have to abandon their careers or surrender their citizenship under
    draconian new anti-mercenary legislation being enacted by South
    Africa’s Parliament.

    The new Bill, designed to scotch South Africa’s reputation as a rich
    recruiting ground for “dogs of war”, was approved by 11 votes to one
    by the Parliament’s defence committee this week despite an
    impassioned appeal from Paul Boateng, the British High Commissioner.

    If the Bill is approved by the full assembly, as now seems probable,
    it will end a tradition of South Africans serving with the British
    military that goes back to the First World War, and leave Britain’s
    Armed Forces overstretched.

    Many of the 700 are serving with British forces in Iraq and
    Afghanistan. Second Lieutenant Ralph Johnson, 24, one of the three
    British soldiers killed in Afghanistan this week, was born in South
    Africa. Sholto Hedenskog, 25, a Marine killed in Iraq in 2003, was
    also South African. It was the activities of a former British
    soldier, Simon Mann, that inspired the Bill. In 2004 Mann, a former
    SAS officer, began an unsuccessful coup against President Teodoro
    Obiang Nguema Mbasago of Equatorial Guinea using 70 mercenaries
    recruited in South Africa. He is now in prison and Sir Mark Thatcher,
    the son of the former British Prime Minister, was fined £265,000 for
    helping to finance the attempted coup.

    The legislation, which will greatly strengthen South Africa’s
    previous anti-mercenary laws, is driven by politics as much as security.

    The ruling African National Congress, which came to power in 1994
    after decades of apartheid rule, fought in exile alongside Angola’s
    former Marxist army against such apartheid-era forces as the Buffalo
    Battalion, the Reconnaissance Commandos and the Parachute Brigade.

    It is from such units that many South African fighters serving abroad
    have since been recruited. Many were subsequently recruited by the
    Angolan Government to hunt down and kill the rebel leader Jonas
    Savimbi, in cooperation with Israeli special forces. Britain’s Armed
    Forces welcomed South Africans from the mercenary company Executive
    Outcomes, who with just a few hundred men and a few helicopters
    helped in the defeat of the Revolutionary United Front rebels in
    Sierra Leone.

    When the Bill was introduced late last year Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma,
    South Africa’s Foreign Minister, said: “We don’t like the idea of
    South Africa becoming a cesspool of mercenaries.”

    On Thursday Mr Boateng made an unprecedented appearance before the
    defence committee to argue that South Africans serving in the British
    military should be exempted.

    He said that passage of the Bill would damage Britain’s co-operation
    with South Africa on defence issues, but his appeal was rejected.

    One ANC MP, Somangamane Ntuli, told Mr Boateng that the specialised
    training South Africans received in Britain’s Armed Forces could “be
    used in a dirty manner” . . . How or where they used their skills had
    to be regulated.

    A South African journalist who attended the hearing said he was
    “astonished at the short shrift that the High Commissioner was given
    by committee members. Unless some kind of extraordinary pressure can
    be brought to bear on Defence Minister Mosiuoa Lekota, the defence
    committee’s decision will stand”.

    Britain’s Ministry of Defence yesterday sent the 700 South Africans
    warnings that they may have to return home.

    The Foreign and Commonwealth Office said that it was making urgent
    representations to the South African Government in a last-ditch
    effort to have the Bill amended.

    “We don’t think the South African Government is ideologically opposed
    to their citizens serving in the British Army,” one official said.
    “It’s just that their legislation aimed at banning mercenaries has
    drawn us into the dragnet.”

    Britain’s Armed Forces have become increasingly dependent on
    Commonwealth citizens over the past 20 to 30 years, and in the past
    seven years the number recruited by the Army has risen by 3,000 per
    cent. The sweeping new legislation will also criminalise between
    5,000 and 10,000 South African hired guns serving in various
    capacities in Iraq.

    PAST HEROES

    # First Victoria Cross awarded to South African colonial forces given
    to corporal in the Native Natal Contingent in 1879 for gallantry at
    Rorke’s Drift

    # South African Brigade distinguished itself at Delville Wood, Battle
    of the Somme, 1916

    # The Light Horse Regiment, a South African reserve force, served in
    the First and Second World Wars. Awarded battle honours after the
    South African campaign in the First World War, then served at El
    Alamein and in Italy, where it sustained heavy losses but helped to
    take Florence and Venice

    # Jan Christian Smuts fought against British forces in the Boer War.
    Became a British general serving in Africa in the First World War and
    later joined Lloyd George’s Cabinet. Made Field Marshal during Second
    World War
     
  12. Ive just met another one, so thats 64. To be fair, he could be one of the ones that someone else knows, so I would hedge my bets at 63/64
     
  13. I know of at least 10 I met in Germany, and there's a couple of Carribean lads where I'm at now...

    75/76?
     
  14. But do you get one point for Scotish and another point for Fijians or is it one in total?
     
  15. Thanks for your help guys, I met four SOuth Africans from RGJ