Commonwealth Admin

#1
I came over as a commonwealth citizen in January with my wife. we are both non-uk citizens and don't have a clue how army admin works here. We have been told by immigration that we are supposed to get our passports stamped by my unit to give us exemtion from immigration control. At the moment we can't leave the uk, cant get bank loans, prove residency etc. My unit bounced our passports back to me & told me it is up to us to sort out. Can anyone help me or give me a point of contact. We are hitting the wall after 6 months of trying to get basic admin done. Also, should I have been sworn in when I joined up over here?
 
#2
You joined the army mate - the RAO cannot provide admin support for that kind of situation. The bottom line is its up to to sort it yourself.

The RAO are not CUSTOMS AND IMMIGRATION - ppl seem to forget that.

What happens when JPA come in and you have to start administrating yourself. Its growing up and being responcible for your own administration instead of letting the RAO wipe your ass aswell!
 
#5
WallabyJack

PM all your details, Citizenship, where enlisted and when etc etc to me and i will get back to you from work on Monday, sounds like people have cut alot of admin out and well..... left you in the poo basically. I have had lots of dealings with F&C recruiting......should be able to direct you.....



Ballbuster,

you are clearly very arrogant and blinkered and i suspect .....................a red arse!

I hope that one day in battle that your muckers will be able to rely on you to pop smoke and give covering fire................but i doubt it with that attitude...
 
#6
Cpl_Ballbuster said:
You joined the army mate - the RAO cannot provide admin support for that kind of situation. The bottom line is its up to to sort it yourself.

The RAO are not CUSTOMS AND IMMIGRATION - ppl seem to forget that.

What happens when JPA come in and you have to start administrating yourself. Its growing up and being responcible for your own administration instead of letting the RAO wipe your ass aswell!
Well up there as one of the most misleading answers ever posted on ARRSE.
 
#7
IMMIGRATION

6. Immigration Issues. F&C citizens enlisting into the British Army are exempt from immigration control under section 8 (4)(a) of the Immigration Act 1971. Immigration issues do occur and should be addressed in the following manner:

a. Recruiting Group check F&C recruits passports on enlistment and send them to the Immigration and Nationality Directorate (IND) of the Home Office (see paragraph 35 for address) for appropriate ‘Exemption’ endorsement. There have been cases however, when F&C soldiers and their dependants have slipped through the net and do not receive the appropriate immigration stamp in their passport(s). In such cases, the enlisted soldier’s passport should be sent direct to ICC1 in the IND (by registered post) for the appropriate Exemption Stamp as soon as possible after enlistment. Their dependants’ passports should be dealt with as in c. below

b. Dependants coming to the UK. Due to the cost of travel and living in the UK, F&C soldiers should be encouraged not to bring their dependants to the UK until after they have completed initial training and entered the Field Army. Soldiers have no entitlement to housing provision prior to completion of Phase 2 training . This is briefed to applicants on enlistment along with details on housing and childcare, but is not always followed.

c. Dependants obtaining permission to stay in the UK. Dependants of F&C Soldiers are granted “Leave to Remain” exceptional outside the Immigration Rules. This leave (or permission to stay in UK) is granted by IND and as long as the correct information and documents are provided with the completed application form (FLR(0)), including a letter from the soldier’s unit saying that the soldier is serving long term in the British Army and giving the length of time the soldier spouse is expected to serve. Leave to Remain (with permission to seek employment) will normally be granted for a period of up to 3 years and take the form of a vignette inserted into the applicant’s passport. With effect from 01 Aug 03, the IND has introduced a fee for applications for extensions of stay of £155 per application. The use of registered post is recommended and the receipt should be kept to enable documents to be traced if necessary. Application fees do not apply to F&C soldiers serving in the Armed Forces when they are obtaining the ‘Exempt’ stamp as described in 6a above. However, the application fee is applicable to their spouses and dependants . A spouse and any dependant children can all be included on a single application.

d. Units must check and allow sufficient time to acquire visas for F&C soldiers required to enter certain countries on a non-UK passport.
Source to follow
 
#8
COMMONWEALTH SOLDIERS

DIRECTOR OF PERSONAL SERVICES (ARMY) - A Unit Guide to the Administration of Foreign and Commonwealth Soldiers and Their Families. Edition 2


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#9
Cpl_Ballbuster said:
You joined the army mate - the RAO cannot provide admin support for that kind of situation. The bottom line is its up to to sort it yourself.

The RAO are not CUSTOMS AND IMMIGRATION - ppl seem to forget that.

What happens when JPA come in and you have to start administrating yourself. Its growing up and being responcible for your own administration instead of letting the RAO wipe your ass aswell!
Did you choose that handle so we all know you're a hard barstard ? This is the RHQ not the NAAFI so get a grip !

If it's another Arrser having a laugh can you give WallabyJack a break and keep it in 'The Badger's ARRSE' ?
His first post was a request for assistance - and it wasn't even bone.
 
#10
See also the 'Nationality' section in the same document. I wont do more cut-and-paste as it is worth reading the full document.

Good luck WJ, and good skills, CC1.
 
#11
At the factory all we did was hand in our passport and the coy clk sorted it... send it off to the home office with a letter stating we were in the armed forces.... and 4 weeks later back with a stamp......... no problem

may i suggest you phone up RMAS and ask the admin people there. They were pretty on the ball!
 
#12
Hey WallabyJack

Hackle has provided solid info. If you still hit a barrier with the Clerk ask to speak to the chief clerk. Failing that ask for an interview with the Adjt and get the families Offr involved. You currently represent a non-effective member of the unit and that is not good.

I can't understand the clerks problem here, I joined my unit mid op tour and they sorted it out within 2 days. Your missus passport is just as important to sort out as well otherwise she wilkl run into probs, usually whilst you are away on ops.

Another suggestion is to contact the chief clerk of the Black Watch or any other Regt that currently has a shed full of Commonwealth Troops.

Good luck

Birdie
 

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