common sense making a comeback?

maguire

LE
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#1
http://www.birminghampost.net/news/...not-have-to-translate-letters-65233-25075786/

'The country’s top judges have backed Birmingham City Council’s decision not to translate letters sent to people whom it knows cannot speak English....

....Lord Justice May found that Mr Mohammed had been “properly informed” by the council as set out in the 1996 Housing Act. While a local authority was required to make sure letters it sent were understandable, it did not have a duty to make sure recipients could speak English.

At no stage had Mr Mohammed asked for help although he had previously used the local authority’s translation services.'

h/t to Constantly Furious -

http://constantlyfurious.blogspot.com/2009/11/outbreak-of-common-sense.html
 
#2
I doubt it will last. The Judge will probably be sacked for what he did.
 
#3
If you come to ENGLAND, learn to speak ENGLISH…

If you can't be bothered to learn and speak ENGLISH, fuvckoffski to where they speak your preferred gibberish…


Simples
 
#4
Every letter sent by Birmingham City Council has with it a sheet which states,

"This is important. If you do not understand this document then please ask a friend or relative, who speaks English, to contact your local neighbourhood office or housing team on your behalf. We will then arrange for an interpreter to meet with you."

This is followed by, i assume, the same message in Bengali, Chinese, Farsi, French, Kurdish, Polish, Punjabi, Pushto, Somali and Urdu.

How many more feckin languages does this tw@t want.
 
#5
Carefull gents not to let this get out of hand. Judge has made a decision.

Remember that Birmingham has a very large mulitcultural society, and most people would find themself in a minority in most areas. It is too late now to get annoied about people not speaking English. There are so many different races / religions in Britian it would be like a crusade if we tried to teach them all English.

If immigration is seen to be a problem, turn your eyes to people that have already been living here for a number of years. Some of these familys dont teach children English, even though they are English by birth.

I agree that anyone visiting or intending on living in a foreign country should know enough of a language to get by. I personally had a rough time doing my ski instructors course in France knowing only basic French.
 
#6
maguire said:
http://www.birminghampost.net/news/west-midlands-news/2009/11/03/judge-says-birmingham-city-council-does-not-have-to-translate-letters-65233-25075786/

'The country’s top judges have backed Birmingham City Council’s decision not to translate letters sent to people whom it knows cannot speak English....

....Lord Justice May found that Mr Mohammed had been “properly informed” by the council as set out in the 1996 Housing Act. While a local authority was required to make sure letters it sent were understandable, it did not have a duty to make sure recipients could speak English.

At no stage had Mr Mohammed asked for help although he had previously used the local authority’s translation services.'

h/t to Constantly Furious -

http://constantlyfurious.blogspot.com/2009/11/outbreak-of-common-sense.html
Common Sense and the law? - NEVER

We all know that an appeal will go in regarding the infringement Mr Mohammed's human rights or that he was descriminated against because he was muslim. What next pikies not being able to set up camp anywhere they want?- I ask you.
 
#8
Sorry should have used the translation services can't expect all of councils/gov departments to know you don't speak english.
 

Jerm

Old-Salt
#9
Common sense should have prevailed before this even got to court.

No doubt English speaking tax payers paid all the court costs.
 

BuggerAll

LE
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#10
A council spokeswoman said: “We are pleased with the Court of Appeal’s ruling, which acknowledged that Birmingham City Council made available adequate translating services for Mr Mohammed. This is an important point of law for all local authorities in England.”

I'd like to know why Birmingham City Council or any other taxpayer funded organization is wasting money on translation services.

The problem with all the translation services is that it lets people off from having to bother to learn English. This then isolates them from wider society reinforcing their disconnect with that society. Its really quite a nasty policy.
 
#11
B*ll*cks if I took the trouble to learn enough Thai to get me by for my 9 week stay last year, immigrants who live here can learn English or else f**k off elsewere.


:pissedoff:
 
#12
MrDave said:
B*ll*cks if I took the trouble to learn enough Thai to get me by for my 9 week stay last year, immigrants who live here can learn English or else f**k off elsewere.




:pissedoff:
Southern or northern Thai?
 
#13
Walt_waltberg_walterton said:
Carefull gents not to let this get out of hand. Judge has made a decision.

Remember that Birmingham has a very large mulitcultural society, and most people would find themself in a minority in most areas. It is too late now to get annoied about people not speaking English. There are so many different races / religions in Britian it would be like a crusade if we tried to teach them all English.

If immigration is seen to be a problem, turn your eyes to people that have already been living here for a number of years. Some of these familys dont teach children English, even though they are English by birth.

I agree that anyone visiting or intending on living in a foreign country should know enough of a language to get by. I personally had a rough time doing my ski instructors course in France knowing only basic French.
No it isn't. It is bloody stupid to pander to people not learning the language. FFS we are just wasting money in providing translation services. In the long term it is money spent to make a situation worse.
 
#14
I presume it was a council house.How did he get it in the first place with no English?
 
#15
BuggerAll said:
A council spokeswoman said: “We are pleased with the Court of Appeal’s ruling, which acknowledged that Birmingham City Council made available adequate translating services for Mr Mohammed. This is an important point of law for all local authorities in England.”

I'd like to know why Birmingham City Council or any other taxpayer funded organization is wasting money on translation services.
The problem with all the translation services is that it lets people off from having to bother to learn English. This then isolates them from wider society reinforcing their disconnect with that society. Its really quite a nasty policy.
Sorry to burst your bubble, due to living abroad my DSS needs documents from your DSS, and vice versa, the medical documents have to be transliterated, hence the need
 
#16
finnjim said:
BuggerAll said:
A council spokeswoman said: “We are pleased with the Court of Appeal’s ruling, which acknowledged that Birmingham City Council made available adequate translating services for Mr Mohammed. This is an important point of law for all local authorities in England.”

I'd like to know why Birmingham City Council or any other taxpayer funded organization is wasting money on translation services.
The problem with all the translation services is that it lets people off from having to bother to learn English. This then isolates them from wider society reinforcing their disconnect with that society. Its really quite a nasty policy.
Sorry to burst your bubble, due to living abroad my DSS needs documents from your DSS, and vice versa, the medical documents have to be transliterated, hence the need
I may be wrong, but I think BuggerAll's post was more about the waste of money on translating for people who live here yet can't be arrsed to learn the language - translations between Govt departments in different countries is something different altogether - and more to the point, if they had the common courtesy to learn, we wouldn't need as many translators. Hence, wasting money.
 
#17
You want to live here! Hardly anyone has a working knowledge of English........but then again, I do live in Germany.

Having said that though, I haven't found one official form in anything other than Amt deutsch!!!
 

BuggerAll

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#18
finnjim said:
BuggerAll said:
A council spokeswoman said: “We are pleased with the Court of Appeal’s ruling, which acknowledged that Birmingham City Council made available adequate translating services for Mr Mohammed. This is an important point of law for all local authorities in England.”

I'd like to know why Birmingham City Council or any other taxpayer funded organization is wasting money on translation services.
The problem with all the translation services is that it lets people off from having to bother to learn English. This then isolates them from wider society reinforcing their disconnect with that society. Its really quite a nasty policy.
Sorry to burst your bubble, due to living abroad my DSS needs documents from your DSS, and vice versa, the medical documents have to be transliterated, hence the need
In what way is this a need for the taxpayers? If you need documents translating then you can pay for them to be translated. If its not that important to you its certainly not that important to me.

BTB If you are talking about service dependents needing foreign document translating I would agree that that is down to the taxpayer as it was the taxpayer who sent them abroad.
 
#19
Official forms and documents for use in THIS country by RESIDENTS or CITIZENS of the same should be written in English.

In Wales, Welsh may also be used, and in Cornwall perhaps Cornish (if anyone can actually speak it).

Come to this country to live permenently or long term? Learn English.
 
#20
I would bet all I have that Mr Mohammed knew very well what the letter said. Even if he can't understand English, you can guarantee that one of his many friends are well versed in this sort of thing. He probably didn't fancy the house or possibly the area he was offered and was advised to do it this way, with the full expectation of a further offer. Well..fuck him and all his advisers, I hope the cnut goes to the back of the queue and feckingwell stays there. They are so used to getting their own way over things like this, that this ruling must have been traumatic. He he he he fcuking he :!:
 

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