Common sense at last?

#1
Calls to, at last, start to separate this country from the undemocratic Eurocratic steamroller
BBC News - UK 'should cut links to European Court of Human Rights'

Sadly I don't think Mr Cameron will have the balls to tell the Euroscum to stick their court up their collective jacksies, he certainly won't be helped by that spineless little twerp Clegg, but at least folk are now starting to talk openly and with some seriousness of regaining or retaking some independance from the ill fated European project.

We can start with the Court before moving on to the Parliament.
 
#2
Before the election, I seem to recall CMD saying that he would get rid of the Human Rights Act. I am not aware that anything is proposed to do that. It would be much easier to change UK law than abandon the Court. Therefore, I support the idea but I'll believe it when it happens.
 
#3
Its not far off a soundbite. Cameron knows that a healthy majority of voters are a tad disgruntled about EU Judicial directives so he is playing to that, In reality by default there is no selective opt out structure. We are in it for the long haul people.
 
#4
I'd like to think CMD is actually playing a clever game here.

He knows perfectly well that a free vote on prisoners being allowed to vote will be a big NO and put the UK Gov on a collision course with the European Court. When the SHTF, he can then lay the 'protecting UK sovreignity as Parliament voted for' card when he tells them to go do one.

Of course, he may just wimp out and bend over and take one.
 

Boldnotold

LE
Book Reviewer
#5
Or he could do what Thatcher did over the Single European Act and Major did over Maastricht - say one thing to the press with their forward-facing face, and sign our rights away with their backward-facing face.
 
#6
Before the election, I seem to recall CMD saying that he would get rid of the Human Rights Act. I am not aware that anything is proposed to do that. It would be much easier to change UK law than abandon the Court. Therefore, I support the idea but I'll believe it when it happens.
Why? It's a treaty that we signed in order to be part of the ECHR, which does frequently post good results, like DNA storage on Police databases, and then throws wobblers like this votes for crims, which would make more sense if the ECHR had included the other 9 or 13 EU Countries that also ban votes for crims....

To leave a treaty is pretty simple at heart. Just stand up and say so. I'm not aware of any Act in existance that makes ECHR ruling binding on UK Law, and I'm fairly sure that UK Law has to be rewritten when ECHR ruling require changes so can't think of anything that would require parliament time, other than the usual suspects whinging that their high profit business has been curtailed.....
 
#7
Stand by for Cameron to hand Europe the vaseline and start unhitching his belt....
it won't happen.
It consistently astonishes me that a country that once ruled the world now allows the world to rule it. And it all went wrong in the space of a generation. Amazing, really. I can't quite think of a historical parallel.
 

seaweed

LE
Book Reviewer
#10
Please, please separate in your minds the ECHR from the EU. Although I believe both are now bad for us. To put it mildly.
 
#11
Interesting that this same court brought down Crown Immunity which for so many years saw servicemen royally shafted over the MOD failing us.
No I don't like the decision to give prisoners votes but sometimes they give stupid governments a good slap.
 
#12
A rethink in the title Title headline maybe ;-)

As others have already stated CMD has'nt got the balls to tke on the ECHR and as for Common sense approach, well Clegg will no doubt dig his heels in big time

I would dearly like to be proved wrong, however there's plenty of talk & little action in regards to issue's such as this...
 
#13
A rethink in the title Title headline maybe ;-)

As others have already stated CMD has'nt got the balls to tke on the ECHR and as for Common sense approach, well Clegg will no doubt dig his heels in big time

I would dearly like to be proved wrong, however there's plenty of talk & little action in regards to issue's such as this...
If he didnt have the balls to sack Vince Cable for his stupidity over the BskyB issue before xmas, I hardly think he has the nouse to even start taking on this. Lets not forget that over the "votes for prisoners" issue it is he, Cameron, that has suggested we extend their rights, even the previous administration chose not to deal with the matter, simply leaving it in their "pending" tray.
 
#14
Couple of months ago I read something by a Tory thinker on how the Commonwealth could be rebooted and even expanded a bit with the inclusion / alliance of Japan (?!) to form an alternate, if small, power bloc of island / Coastal states that could serve to whisper sense into Uncle Sam's ear; and with truly relevant global trade and influence links. at the same time, the EU would be given a good stiff ignoring, and treated like a trading partner, not a close member of the family.

Sounded like utter pie-in-the-sky, fantasist bollix until I read it through properly, at which point it made complete sense. Not sure CMD has the cojones to do it though.
 
#15
ECHR and the fvcking EU are not the same in fact but they are identical in that they both INTERFERE with our SOVEREIGNTY and preclude our running this country the way the majority want it run.

The very fact that the obese and barely literate ass Mr. Prescott is FOR the rulings of the ECHR, is a good enough reason to be against it!
 
#16
Just a few points:

The PM is not obliged to listen to any backbench motion, but may use it as a justification for some watering down of the issue. My bet is he will give vote to those on shorter sentences - still shameful if you ask me.

Cameron supported motion but didn't have courage strength to allow his cabinet to vote hence they all abstained en-block. Weak- the lot of them.

Even more spineless was the approach of Her Majesty's Opposition. Vast majority couldn't be arsed to turn up -just went home for Friday off.

Vast credit to David Davies for pushing this issue and you could credit Jack Straw as well, however it might have been better if he had tackled the matter head on when he was actually in a postion to do something.
 
#17
Its not far off a soundbite. Cameron knows that a healthy majority of voters are a tad disgruntled about EU Judicial directives so he is playing to that, In reality by default there is no selective opt out structure. We are in it for the long haul people.
Really? I thought both Italy and France had done exactly that; cherry-picked the parts of the ECHR they liked and told the rest to jog on.
 
#19
Personally I'm in favour of both the HRA and giving the vote to prisoners.

The right of a Brit to vote should not be within anyone's gift. The sun comes up, the sun goes down, you are British, you've got the vote.

The idea that anyone has the power to decide whether you get the vote or not is both apalling and dangerous, prisoners today, some other group tomorrow.

Freedom has a price, and if letting prisoners vote means that no-one can ever **** with my right to cast a vote against a government then it is
one I am happy to pay.

The HRA is not perfect and sometimes it interprets things beyond what is sensible but, taken in the round, it has been a very good thing
and has been a vital check and balance to our over mighty politicians.

We needed all the help we could get to resist the sinister and wholly wicked war against our civil rights mounted by those ***** Blair, Brown, Mandleson and Campbell andgiven how close the last election reults were, we were lucky to get out from under their thumb.

The whole of English history has been a struggle to get out from under the oppresive instincts of the governing classes - the monarchy, the aristocracy, the church and lately New Labour and
with our democracy in such a piss poor state we need basic rights that cannot be interfered with.

Go on, after the New Labour experience tell me you trust our politicians enough to guard our civil liberties unsupervised.
 
#20
This is the usual overblown storm in a teacup.

How many of the prison population would bother to vote? What would the impact be if they did?
 

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