Commision from the ranks

#1
Was after the guidlines for attending Sandhurst from being a LSgt (Full Corporal).
My main query is whether I would have to complete the whole course as I'm qualified to teach half of what I'll be taught (SAA,tactics and drill etc).
By the time I go I'll will have been in for at least 7 years and will be a full Sgt.
Many Thanks
 
#2
Yes you will. You will probably also have the enormous pleasure of being nominated to 'help' a few of the less able beings along as well.

Why have you left it so late to jump ship?

I expect you will particularly enjoy the first few weeks of merriment.

Good luck.

EtA
 
#3
Yes - full course for you I'm afraid. I'd stay where you are and look at commissioning in a few years. Lots of people commission into the AGC from CSgt and above.

Why do you want to commission anyway? Sounds like you are doing alright where you are.
 
#4
asr1 said:
Yes - full course for you I'm afraid. I'd stay where you are and look at commissioning in a few years. Lots of people commission into the AGC from CSgt and above.

Why do you want to commission anyway? Sounds like you are doing alright where you are.
Why does anyone want a commission? Are you suggesting that only those who "aren't doing alright where they are" should apply for a commission?

Surely the thought of remaining to CSgt and then applying for a commssion in the AGC, is reason enough to want to go now! :D
 
#5
Ethel_the_Aardvark said:
Yes you will. You will probably also have the enormous pleasure of being nominated to 'help' a few of the less able beings along as well.

Why have you left it so late to jump ship?

I expect you will particularly enjoy the first few weeks of merriment.

Good luck.

EtA
What he said mate, plus you will be expected to teach extra curricular ironing,bulling, swabbing, drill etc. Good luck, but why? you seem to be doing fine as it is.
 
#6
dinger4681 said:
Was after the guidlines for attending Sandhurst from being a LSgt (Full Corporal).
My main query is whether I would have to complete the whole course as I'm qualified to teach half of what I'll be taught (SAA,tactics and drill etc).
By the time I go I'll will have been in for at least 7 years and will be a full Sgt.
Many Thanks
I was in almost exactly the same position as you some years ago so if you need some more assistance please feel free to PM me.

You'll do the whole course. You'll look after the numpties and foreign royalty. The highest standards are expected of you, and then some. However, you will get an easier time from your DS if you play the game. Unfortunately, a tiny tiny minority in the DS will be out to fcuk you over from Day One: good news is that you will spot them coming from miles away. "How dare you aspire to be an officer" - yes, they exist! If you're married, for God's sake, don't shag around: you'll be crucified if caught.

All in all, it's a hoot: easily the best year I've had in the Army. Loads of kit, resources, ammo, training is superb and you'll learn something, definitely in the second and third terms. Forget that you 'know it all' and just apply yourself to playing the game and helping out in your Platoon after hours and you'll sail through.

Good luck mate. :D
 
#7
Proximo said:
dinger4681 said:
Was after the guidlines for attending Sandhurst from being a LSgt (Full Corporal).
My main query is whether I would have to complete the whole course as I'm qualified to teach half of what I'll be taught (SAA,tactics and drill etc).
By the time I go I'll will have been in for at least 7 years and will be a full Sgt.
Many Thanks
I was in almost exactly the same position as you some years ago so if you need some more assistance please feel free to PM me.

You'll do the whole course. You'll look after the numpties and foreign royalty. The highest standards are expected of you, and then some. However, you will get an easier time from your DS if you play the game. Unfortunately, a tiny tiny minority in the DS will be out to fcuk you over from Day One: good news is that you will spot them coming from miles away. "How dare you aspire to be an officer" - yes, they exist! If you're married, for God's sake, don't shag around: you'll be crucified if caught.

All in all, it's a hoot: easily the best year I've had in the Army. Loads of kit, resources, ammo, training is superb and you'll learn something, definitely in the second and third terms. Forget that you 'know it all' and just apply yourself to playing the game and helping out in your Platoon after hours and you'll sail through.

Good luck mate. :D
Well said Proximo sound advice
 
#8
dinger4681 said:
Was after the guidlines for attending Sandhurst from being a LSgt (Full Corporal).
My main query is whether I would have to complete the whole course as I'm qualified to teach half of what I'll be taught (SAA,tactics and drill etc).
By the time I go I'll will have been in for at least 7 years and will be a full Sgt.
Many Thanks
Sounds to me fella like you're doing v. well to be a Sgt after 7 years. You sure you're not a REME Tech? :D Go for it, if you've half a mind for it, you'll regret it if you don't do it1 Best of luck :wink:
 
#9
SeahorseSpanner said:
dinger4681 said:
Was after the guidlines for attending Sandhurst from being a LSgt (Full Corporal).
My main query is whether I would have to complete the whole course as I'm qualified to teach half of what I'll be taught (SAA,tactics and drill etc).
By the time I go I'll will have been in for at least 7 years and will be a full Sgt.
Many Thanks
Sounds to me fella like you're doing v. well to be a Sgt after 7 years. You sure you're not a REME Tech? :D Go for it, if you've half a mind for it, you'll regret it if you don't do it1 Best of luck :wink:
Not unless the REME have suddenly joined the 'made up rank names' world of LSgts / CoH's, SCMs etc etc
 
#10
Proximo said:
... and you'll learn something, definitely in the second and third terms. Forget that you 'know it all' and just apply yourself to playing the game and helping out in your Platoon after hours and you'll sail through.
Proximo, at what stage (if any) did you start feeling you no longer had an advantage? I found much of III Class (RMC in Aus) to be, well, not quite 'tick'n'flick', but not at all challenging. I now find (a few weeks from the end) that I have few or no advantages over my peers who had no prior service.

The only other slight advantage, which I wouldn't overstate, is some maturity due solely to age. The flip side is my colleagues' raw, youthful fitness and energy!

Cheers
 
#11
Proximo said:
You'll look after the numpties and foreign royalty. The highest standards are expected of you, and then some.
We had one groundie from the AAC go to RMAS and was basically told the same as above. He (at the end of the course, not the start :) ) said that in retrospect it was the best compliment paid to him.

Ran into him as an occifer some time later at a visit to another regiment and he was doing brillliantly. If you think that this is where your career progression lies, go for it and fcuk everyone elses opinion.
 
#12
I went for it at the very last moment (had completed nearly 10 years service as a chef).
You will have to complete the PODs cse at Worthy Down for 3 months prior to entry to RMAS. You will be expected to help others who wouldn't have had any experience at all, compared with what you have done.

Go for it, you will enjoy it, and as already said, if you don't you will regret it.
PM if you want for more info.
 
#13
Ethel_the_Aardvark said:
SeahorseSpanner said:
Sounds to me fella like you're doing v. well to be a Sgt after 7 years. You sure you're not a REME Tech? :D Go for it, if you've half a mind for it, you'll regret it if you don't do it1 Best of luck :wink:
Not unless the REME have suddenly joined the 'made up rank names' world of LSgts / CoH's, SCMs etc etc
The REME use their rank structure when workking withing the HDiv: yes, it's baffling but there you go. In fact, having said that, I'm certain that one of the Bns doesn't do that - part and parcel of the British Army! :D

Timmypig said:
Proximo said:
... and you'll learn something, definitely in the second and third terms. Forget that you 'know it all' and just apply yourself to playing the game and helping out in your Platoon after hours and you'll sail through.
Proximo, at what stage (if any) did you start feeling you no longer had an advantage?
Timmy: pretty much halfway through the second term when we moved up to Company tactics and the academic stuff started kicking in. It became all about being a much more balanced individual, not just some bloke who can polish boots, dig trenches and run fast.

Andy_Caps_Commando said:
You will have to complete the PODs cse at Worthy Down for 3 months prior to entry to RMAS.
You won't 'have to'. It depends on your pass category at Westbury. You are still able to route straight through to RMAS on a Cat 1 pass; a Cat 2 will see you attending either POD (if you're education has been a little lacking (I did POD!)), or PRMS (coloq. PRAMS) if you've got the noggin but need some more rounding off. Both are jolly good, but neither is a certainty.

In my intake, we had 16 soldier entrants of which 9 did my POD, 4 did the previous POD, 1 came from the Y List having previously done POD, and 2 came straight in on a Cat 1: both were REME.
 
#14
How common is it for soldier entrants who go to RMAS to be commissioned into a different regiment or corps from the one they originally served in?
 
#15
Ethel_the_Aardvark said:
SeahorseSpanner said:
dinger4681 said:
Was after the guidlines for attending Sandhurst from being a LSgt (Full Corporal).
My main query is whether I would have to complete the whole course as I'm qualified to teach half of what I'll be taught (SAA,tactics and drill etc).
By the time I go I'll will have been in for at least 7 years and will be a full Sgt.
Many Thanks
Sounds to me fella like you're doing v. well to be a Sgt after 7 years. You sure you're not a REME Tech? :D Go for it, if you've half a mind for it, you'll regret it if you don't do it1 Best of luck :wink:
Not unless the REME have suddenly joined the 'made up rank names' world of LSgts / CoH's, SCMs etc etc
I know REME haven't made any new rank names :roll: I was merely using the analogy that REME Techs get promoted quickly. The guy is obviously a 'flier' to be a Sgt in the guards after 7 yrs. Sorry for any confusion :wink:
 
#16
baboon6 said:
How common is it for soldier entrants who go to RMAS to be commissioned into a different regiment or corps from the one they originally served in?
Depends on their original capbadge. Certain Corps have a very healthy attitude towards it - RMP for example, and RLC, spring to mind. On the other hand, it would be highly unusual for a Trooper from a Cav Regiment to go back to the same capbadge, but largely for very good reasons: he'd find it hard to strike the right balance and part of me suspects he'd not really enjoy it.

Some Regiments are fairly ambivalent towards it, or are so big it doesn't really matter - the Gunners are a good example of this. It's also true that yet other capbadges require markedly different things from their officers: The Royal Engineers prefer some sort of engineering background (at least) and unless you fancy being a MSO, you're not going to find the RAMC that much of a stretch if you were formerly a paramedic JNCO!

Notwithstanding all of this, if we look at groupings of capbadges, things tend to even out. I know of a former QDG chap who is now an officer in another Cavalry Regiment. Equally, lots of former Infanteers go back to the Infantry: I was at RMAS with a Black Watch chap who was accepted back into the same Division.

However, the vast majority use the opportunity to do something totally different. In my intake, we had an Int Corps bloke join the RLC, and a REME chap join the Int Corps. Of the 2 RMP guys, one went back and one didn't. 3 ended up in the Parachute Regiment.

That's probably a bit longer than you expected: I suppose the answer is that there is no simple answer - this is the British Army and sometimes I think we prefer it complicated! :D
 
#17
Proximo said:
baboon6 said:
How common is it for soldier entrants who go to RMAS to be commissioned into a different regiment or corps from the one they originally served in?
Depends on their original capbadge. Certain Corps have a very healthy attitude towards it - RMP for example, and RLC, spring to mind. On the other hand, it would be highly unusual for a Trooper from a Cav Regiment to go back to the same capbadge, but largely for very good reasons: he'd find it hard to strike the right balance and part of me suspects he'd not really enjoy it.

Some Regiments are fairly ambivalent towards it, or are so big it doesn't really matter - the Gunners are a good example of this. It's also true that yet other capbadges require markedly different things from their officers: The Royal Engineers prefer some sort of engineering background (at least) and unless you fancy being a MSO, you're not going to find the RAMC that much of a stretch if you were formerly a paramedic JNCO!

Notwithstanding all of this, if we look at groupings of capbadges, things tend to even out. I know of a former QDG chap who is now an officer in another Cavalry Regiment. Equally, lots of former Infanteers go back to the Infantry: I was at RMAS with a Black Watch chap who was accepted back into the same Division.

However, the vast majority use the opportunity to do something totally different. In my intake, we had an Int Corps bloke join the RLC, and a REME chap join the Int Corps. Of the 2 RMP guys, one went back and one didn't. 3 ended up in the Parachute Regiment.

That's probably a bit longer than you expected: I suppose the answer is that there is no simple answer - this is the British Army and sometimes I think we prefer it complicated! :D
Thanks for the detailed answer, that is exactly what I wanted to know.
 
#18
Cheers for all the replies with regards as to why I'm considering it, it was put forward to me in my last CR and I'm considering a career change.
I'm currently attached to Sphinx Special Op Battery so was considering going acros to the RA.
 
#19
Dinger,

I commissioned from the ranks after approx 7 years service and I too was from the Guards. You will indeed have to do every single aspect of the course including calling out the time etc. Not a bad thing at all, it enables you to blend in a lot easier.

Any queries, PM me.

Andy Caps Commando, i believe we were on the same PODS PRAMS cse. are you the Cdo Chef who was asked at the factory whether his dagger was from a cooking qual?
 
#20
most posters answered pretty much everything,

I personally felt that being an ex soldier stopped being an advantage when things took an academic "turn for the worse". For me this was a steep learning curve, but never held me up any.

There were indeed staff members who like to try and make life difficult for ex-rankers (for me it was the scots div, as i was a broad rough sweaty sock, who went to the same schools as them etc, but just grit your teeth all they can do is throw insults at you) As long as you keep producing the goods there is nothing can hold you back.

If you are good at a sport try and get starred for the Academy ( i was a starred boxer, and it helped a lot being able to avoid a lot of the mind numbing recruit type of stuff, after the first term)
 

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