Commercial shipbuilding - why not in the UK?

Even yards that build warships? I thought that the American pioneered building ships in pre fabricated sections that are later brought together - which demanded high levels of dimensional accuracy?

That's nigh-on eighty years ago. "High Accuracy" is a relative term.

There's a reason Avondale shipyard is no longer a shipyard - and that isn't down to Katrina. Used to have some eye-watering photos of the cabling installed on LPD 17. Phil the Greek would have been referring to Indians......
 

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That's nigh-on eighty years ago. "High Accuracy" is a relative term.

There's a reason Avondale shipyard is no longer a shipyard - and that isn't down to Katrina. Used to have some eye-watering photos of the cabling installed on LPD 17. Phil the Greek would have been referring to Indians......

Perhaps they should have employed the Indians and left the cowboys to run the farms instead?

On a more serious note, I was thinking of the mass production techniques used in the eighties to cheaply build the Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates.
 

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What exactly is this story all about?

The UK Hydrographic Office (UKHO) has announced that the geospatial intelligence technology provider Geollect has won its ADMIRALTY Marine Innovation Programme challenge.

Launched last year, the program aims to help start-ups and innovators develop new solutions that support safe, secure and thriving oceans. This year’s second innovation challenge focused on Transforming Maritime Risk and Insurance, tasking entrants with identifying, trialing and proving how marine geospatial data can be used to enhance maritime insurance products.

For the challenge, Geollect demonstrated how marine data sets such as bathymetry, maritime limits and AIS heatmaps, could enrich a number of dashboards that assist with sanction compliance, underwriting, loss prevention and investigation functions.

“Ultimately, insurance providers need access to the widest range of accurate data that can help them quantify the risks ships face,” said Mark Casey, Head of Research, Design and Innovation at the UKHO. “By integrating a wider range of geospatial information into their products, Geollect can help the sector develop a greater understanding of the maritime environment.”

As the winner of the challenge, Geollect will collaborate with the UKHO in utilizing marine geospatial data and expertise to develop an alpha product for the maritime insurance sector.

“As well as accessing impactful data, we are really looking forward to working alongside experienced specialists from the UKHO,” said Geollect’s Chief Operating Officer, Richard Gwilliam. “Between us we can develop effective solutions to address challenges in a number of areas of maritime risk. Adding the powerful UKHO brand will turbocharge our product offering and we can really help bring their data to life.”
 
It's all about using digitised bathy and hydrographic info to allow more accurate and safer navigation. Particularly for automated and semi-automated systems. All of which feeds into the risk assessment field.

ECDIS and WECDIS are only part of the picture.
 

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A slight tangent from the thread, but on the topic of commercial shipping and emergency planning - see here.

More widely at least three Caledonian MacBrayne ferries were built with a variety of discrete fixtures including an NBCD citadel and a variety of other modifications to enable them to become floating outposts of Government. It seems extremely likely that in the event of war, a not insignificant part of the British Government would have found itself afloat on Royal Navy or chartered shipping trying to work out what to do next.
 

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Were Caledonian MacBrayne in public ownership? Like BP Tankers being equipped to provide replenishment at sea, quite a bit of additional funding would have been needed.

With talk of the future RFA solid stores ships being made in UK yards, could a model of part public ownership be used to increase the number of vessels flying the Red Ensign, and available for crisis use?
 
Were Caledonian MacBrayne in public ownership? Like BP Tankers being equipped to provide replenishment at sea, quite a bit of additional funding would have been needed.

With talk of the future RFA solid stores ships being made in UK yards, could a model of part public ownership be used to increase the number of vessels flying the Red Ensign, and available for crisis use?
Part of what is now CalMac was nationalised in 1948 and the rest in 1969.
 

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Sticking with Scotland - Ferguson Marine shipyard launches major recruitment drive

Ferguson Marine (Port Glasgow) is recruiting 120 temporary workers to support the introduction of a weekend shift. Weekend production will begin on 19 March for at least six months and the shipyard requires 120 skilled and experienced contract workers to cover shifts on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

The vacancies are mainly for pipe fitters and steel workers in line with current build requirements on MV Glen Sannox and Hull 802, the two ferries being built for Caledonian Maritime Assets Limited (CMAL).

The new weekend rota is a short-term measure designed specifically to boost production on the dual fuel vessel project and to accelerate progress against delivery schedules. It means the shipyard will be in production seven days a week during spring and summer months and will bring total headcount to more than 500.
 

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What is this? A Maersk tanker (what flag?) doing a RAS with a US Military Sealift Command Ship?


Is this similar to what the BP tankers did as STUFT during the Falklands Conflict? Do Maersk get any sort of Department Of Défense funding for training or equipment?
 

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What is this? A Maersk tanker (what flag?) doing a RAS with a US Military Sealift Command Ship?


Is this similar to what the BP tankers did as STUFT during the Falklands Conflict? Do Maersk get any sort of Department Of Défense funding for training or equipment?
It's registered in Norfolk, Virginia. Maersk register their ships wherever there's a commercial advantage for them.
 

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Is this similar to what the BP tankers did as STUFT during the Falklands Conflict War?

yes....


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It's registered in Norfolk, Virginia. Maersk register their ships wherever there's a commercial advantage for them.

What commercial advantage does a US flag given them? Or other advantages? What benefit does it offer the Americans? Does any of this apply to merchant vessels registered with the Red Ensign Group?

Does the US Department of Défense fund the equipment and training for being part of a fleet train?
 

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What commercial advantage does a US flag given them? Or other advantages? What benefit does it offer the Americans? Does any of this apply to merchant vessels registered with the Red Ensign Group?

Does the US Department of Défense fund the equipment and training for being part of a fleet train?
In this case it presumably allows them to operate with the Military Sealift Command.
 

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What commercial advantage does a US flag given them? Or other advantages? What benefit does it offer the Americans? Does any of this apply to merchant vessels registered with the Red Ensign Group?

Does the US Department of Défense fund the equipment and training for being part of a fleet train?
They also have container ships flagged in Denmark, Brazil, Hong Kong, Singapore and the Netherlands. Their tanker fleet ships are flagged in all sorts of weird places.

E2A list of Maersk tankers

 
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A lot of the Maersk crew are ex USN, Ex MSC etc and Maersk can and do do ’interesting‘ stuff.


Contracts For Oct. 6, 2020​



U.S. TRANSPORTATION COMMAND
Maersk Line Ltd., Norfolk, Virginia, has been awarded a contract modification on contract HTC711-19-D-W026 in the amount of $173,052,625. This modification provides continued international ocean and intermodal distribution services. Work will be performed worldwide as specified on each individual order. The option period of performance is from Dec. 1, 2020, to Aug. 31, 2021. Fiscal 2021 transportation working capital funds to be obligated on individual task orders. This modification increases the total cumulative face value of the contract from $170,116,349, to $343,168,974. The U.S. Transportation Command, Directorate of Acquisition, Scott Air Force Base, Illinois, is the contracting activity.
 
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A lot of the Maersk crew are ex USN, Ex MSC etc and Maersk can and do do ’interesting‘ stuff.


Contracts For Oct. 6, 2020​



U.S. TRANSPORTATION COMMAND
Maersk Line Ltd., Norfolk, Virginia, has been awarded a contract modification on contract HTC711-19-D-W026 in the amount of $173,052,625. This modification provides continued international ocean and intermodal distribution services. Work will be performed worldwide as specified on each individual order. The option period of performance is from Dec. 1, 2020, to Aug. 31, 2021. Fiscal 2021 transportation working capital funds to be obligated on individual task orders. This modification increases the total cumulative face value of the contract from $170,116,349, to $343,168,974. The U.S. Transportation Command, Directorate of Acquisition, Scott Air Force Base, Illinois, is the contracting activity.

Apart from that ship, I doubt that it is super sneaky beaky stuff, but more like certain shipping companies that have contracts with MOD. Being able to act as an auxiliary tanker in times of crisis would means needing extra equipment and funding
 

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Apart from that ship, I doubt that it is super sneaky beaky stuff, but more like certain shipping companies that have contracts with MOD. Being able to act as an auxiliary tanker in times of crisis would means needing extra equipment and funding

you might be off track there.
there’s an advantage to having a sovereign flagged and manned ‘tame’ MN fleet.
you can securely get people and stuff in and out of places in plain sight.
Both BOAC and BP were happy to oblige back in the day. No one was able to keep tabs on the large numbers of officials, Officers and crew from both companies coming and going around the world 24/7/365.

extra funding? Do you think those $300 million contracts are purely paying to move containers of toilet roll for the US DoD? The US DoD funds a US flagged and manned Maersk sub fleet available for US DoD stuff, including in ‘hot‘ operational theatres.
 

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extra funding? Do you think those $300 million contracts are purely paying to move containers of toilet roll for the US DoD? The US DoD funds a US flagged and manned Maersk sub fleet available for US DoD stuff, including in ‘hot‘ operational theatres.

No - it is for things like running dedicated vessels for moving military vehicles. Maersk also operates RO-RO vessels for DOD sealift requirements. Perhaps a bit like our own Point class vessels?

More on that recent exercise here:

The recent exercise underscored the unique capabilities of the U.S.-flag fleet, along with the cadre of civilian mariners who have tanker-specific training. As one observer put it, “The exercise reflects that our military has guaranteed access to the vessels and, more importantly, to the mariners who have never failed to answer the call and sail into harm’s way, wherever and whenever needed.”

Lessons for the UK? Does increasing the size of the UK shipping register help, and training more seamen? Supporting shipbuilding and related things such as producing maritime equipment?
 

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