Comets in Korea?

#2
There was recently a good programme on one of the satellite channels about some guys at IWM Duxford restoring a COMET. They had some interviews with some RAC vets who fought COMET in Korea. Apparently the PLA and the N Koreans did not like them. It was the only AFV that could actually be driven up to some of the highest peaks.
 
#3
loaded_not_ready said:
There was recently a good programme on one of the satellite channels about some guys at IWM Duxford restoring a COMET. They had some interviews with some RAC vets who fought COMET in Korea. Apparently the PLA and the N Koreans did not like them. It was the only AFV that could actually be driven up to some of the highest peaks.
I'm pretty sure it was the Centurion that was known for mountaingoatishness.

On 14 November 1950 the British Army's 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars, equipped with three squadrons of Centurion Mk 3 tanks landed in Pusan. Operating in sub-zero temperatures, the 8th Hussars learnt the rigours of winter warfare: their tanks had to be parked on straw to prevent the steel tracks from freezing to the ground, and engines had to be started every half hour, with each gear being engaged in turn, to prevent them from being frozen into place.

During the Battle of the Imjin River Centurions won lasting fame when their tanks covered the withdrawal of the 29th Brigade, with the loss of five tanks. Centurions were also involved in the second Battle of the Hook where they played a significant role in repelling Chinese attacks.

In a tribute to the 8th Hussars, General John O'Daniel, commanding the US 1st Corps, stated: "...In their Centurions, the 8th Hussars have evolved a new type of tank warfare. They taught us that anywhere a tank can go is tank country: even the tops of mountains.
Wiki
 
#4
BenghaziBandit said:
I have just read (Wico!!) that there were Comets in action in Korea, this is news to me ,any info??
IIRC FOO's and some others had Comets.
The Cents were still on the Secret list, at least the stab for the guns was and hadn't, as far as I'm aware, been given to units outside the RAC

Edited to add. Some stuff here, scroll down.
 
#5
I served on Comets with the Queens Bays, we in 2nd.Arm.Bgd.,
Bays,9th.Lancers, 4th. and 6th.RTR had them in Italy 1946, Egypt and Palestine 47/48 but I had never heard of them with units in Korea.
I do know most of the RAC in Korea but they all had Cents., I was recalled for refresher course on Cents in 51 (I'd worked on one of the first at Lulworth in 46) and was under the impression that all Comet regiments had switched to Cents by then.
Can any one give any specific units with Comets?
I know some of the Bays lads were 'loaned' out to 8th.Hussars in Korea but they had come from Cents by then.
 
#6
Picked this up elsewhere on the web. But nothing specific on units as yet.

The 11th Armoured Division was the first to receive the new tanks in December 1944 and the only division to be completely refitted by the end of the war. Because of its late arrival, the Comet did not participate in any major battles though it did see combat against the Germans. The Comet was involved in the crossing of the Rhine/Operation Plunder
During the following Korean War, the Comet served along with the heavier Centurion tank a successor tank introduced in the closing days of WWII on an experimental basis, but too late to see combat. The Centurion was formally adopted in 1949 and was partly based on the Comet's design. The Comet remained in British service until 1958 when the remaining tanks were sold to foreign governments; up until the 1980s, it could be found in the armies of various nations such as South Africa.
 
#7
Andrew Salmon's "To the Last Round" mentions Cromwells in use as Recce and FOO tanks. The Cromwell is visually quite similar to the Comet, perhaps this is the confusion?
 
#8
incendiarycutlery said:
Andrew Salmon's "To the Last Round" mentions Cromwells in use as Recce and FOO tanks. The Cromwell is visually quite similar to the Comet, perhaps this is the confusion?
There seems to be some confusion to be sure........................various things I've read say Comet/Cromwell, I just assumed that people mean Comet as it was the most advanced tank we had alongside Centurion at that time?? I can't see how we'd send Cromwell not Comet?? I guess there must be some definitive answer somewhere?? Wikipedia...though excellent.......does worry me as anyone can pretty much put what they want so, if someone is a little inaccurate, the knock on effect.........................!!
 
#10
I as I wrote previously served on Comets. I also refreshed on Cents, none of my friends who served in Korea ever mentioned Comets there.
I don't know of any units with Comets in Korea!
I'll get on phone to old Bays mate who was there, see what he knows.
(Just done that, mate never saw any, he was attached to 8th.Hussars.)
Certainly not bloody Cromwells, think they were all out of service by then.
 
#11
BenghaziBandit said:
I as I wrote previously served on Comets. I also refreshed on Cents, none of my friends who served in Korea ever mentioned Comets there.
I don't know of any units with Comets in Korea!
I'll get on phone to old Bays mate who was there, see what he knows.
(Just done that, mate never saw any, he was attached to 8th.Hussars.)
Certainly not bloody Cromwells, think they were all out of service by then.
I have a picture in front of me of a 8th Hussars Cromwell that was captured by the Chinese and put back into service with an NK unit. On 11th Feb 1951 it ran into a Centurion Mk3 from C troop 8th Hussars and was knocked out and recaptured.






Here you go - note the korean characters on the front hull
 
#12
RIGHTYHO THEN
I've researched thus

Units involved either as Regts or Independant Sqns
8th KRIH
1 RTR
7 RTR
5th Royal Inniskilling Dragoon Guards

In the book
Korean War order of battle: United States, United Nations, and Communist ... By Gordon L. Rottman

Regimental sized units were equipped with 4 sqns of 64 Cent Mk III 20 Pounder AND Recce Troop of 6 CROMWELL Mk VII.

Independant (C) Sqn of 1RTR was equipped with 16 Churchill Mk IV Crocodile Flamethrowers, 77mm guns (flame guns were removed). Plus 2 each Command and recovery Churchills across 5 Troops.


Hope that clears any confusion so, there were in fact NO Comets in service in Korea............nearest would have been Hong Kong!!! Confusion was obviously between the Cromwells and Comets.
 
#14
BIPOLAR77 said:
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/imgs/t3485.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/armor-of-the-korean-war.asp&usg=__TDcO6_DFo3mtTi8cQCJwVKT4TWk=&h=431&w=600&sz=88&hl=en&start=10&um=1&tbnid=v16y_JFinFUBlM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkorean%2Bwar%2Ba34%2Btank%26hl%3Den%26um%3D1

maybe crewed by s koreans?
Something about that site mate...........tells me we shouldn't pay toooooo much attention to it.
 

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#15
I looked at that site earlier I think it pretty much repeats what Wiki says

Would the Aussies have shipped any out?
 
#16
The Boy mate
I read on in that article and the full UN/Commonwealth line up was the Canadians - Strathcona's Horse had Mk IIC Achilles Tank destroyers and M4A3E8s - The Aussies apparently provided no heavy armour as only infantry were supplied ex Japan............So, I remain resolutely on BB's side here.....................no Comets...............................I genuinely believe that due to Comet/Cromwell AFV Rec probs/confusion we may well have come upon a so called Urban myth. I do, as always of course, stand ready for proof to the contrary...........your humble servant etc, etc, etc..........
 
#17
Plese accept my deepest apolagies for starting such a crappy thread......
at my age I should have known better :oops: :oops:
(and knowing 8th.Hussars who were there I strongly suspect they sold the Gooks that bloody Cromwell! :wink: )
 
#18
BenghaziBandit said:
Plese accept my deepest apolagies for starting such a crappy thread......
at my age I should have known better :oops: :oops:
(and knowing 8th.Hussars who were there I strongly suspect they sold the Gooks that bloody Cromwell! :wink: )
BB mate
Fancy that........................I've read loads of stuff to get your info................you can't possibly apologise now????Blub, blub. Not crappy thread.......if twer you'd have got no responses.
 
#19
Seem to remember story that first Tank knocked out by Cent was a Comet,captured and crewed by NK.
 
#20
Theirs a Dixons in Korea, but no comets.
 
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