Combat/Tactical Stretcher

#1
Im looking for a Tactical Style Stretcher see some of the medics with them. I need one which is light and folds up pretty small so that in can be carried on long expeds.

Talon II is looking ideal though a little pricey, anyone used one who can comment on the quality of them?
 
#3
Ideal for an emergency extraction if nothing else substitutes, However, Not very good if you have a neck or Spine Injury. Thanks for the Input though.

A Stretcher with some rigidity is needed.
 
#5
There in now a talon 3 which is a bit lighter and more pricey but there is another option in a bit of kit called a team 8 litter which is like the stuff used by moutain rescue but smaller and lighter, i think both are available through prometheus medical or narp (you will have to google them).

The only person who would ever suggest using a poncho is someone who has never had to casevac someone it is tottaly useless unless you have loads of blokes to use and is ballbagging you would probably end up doing more damage to the casualty. You can now get talon 2 through the mob it has an NSN and all that.

Mark
 
#6
Its for a Civvy Organisation, Thankfully Im not paying I cant afford the rent let alone a Talon Stretcher lol. We did a casevac using a basha in catterick a few years back and it was knackering.

The Talon looks ideal as it looks light enough to carry with an exped kit. However looks can be deceiving and I just wandered if anyone had used it previously
 
#7
For Prometheus Medical

http://www.prometheusmedical.co.uk/page_sector/catid_10/category_Casualty Evacuation/index.html

T3™ Lightweight Assault Litter

Also look at:

Talon II Folding Combat Stretcher - Model 81C - NSN: 6530-01-452-1651

List Price £495.00 - £581.63 inc VAT

http://www.spservices.co.uk/product_info.php/products_id/3883

OR

Talon II Folding Combat Stretcher - Model 90C - NSN: 6530-01-504-9051

List Price £495.00 - £581.63 inc VAT

http://www.spservices.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=43_45&products_id=395

OR half the weight of a 81C but almost twice the cost

T3™ Lightweight Assault Litter / Stretcher

List Price £851.00 - £999.93 inc VAT

http://www.spservices.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=43_45&products_id=4143
 
#8
mark131v said:
The only person who would ever suggest using a poncho is someone who has never had to casevac someone it is tottaly useless unless you have loads of blokes to use and is ballbagging you would probably end up doing more damage to the casualty.
Done it before, and yes it's a pain but we did manage to get him down to the ambulance and off to hospital to get his ankle put in plaster.

If you've got a casualty with a spinal or neck injury you'd need a collar and a spinal board as well as a stretcher, plus a few trained people to get the casualty onto it. Getting into wait-for-the-ambulance territory here if you're a civvy organisation.
 
#10
Save the money, donate it to Mountain Rescue and call them out when you have a spinal injury :)


Ps

Obviously I'm assuming its UK based ;)
 
#11
Jerrycan2793 said:
The charity works on a similar basis so St Johns but on mountains.
St JOHN dear boy, St John..not Johns ;)

Have you tried asking the St John Mountain Rescue what they use? http://www.amrt.org.uk/AMRT/Welcome.html It most certainly in not a "combat stretcher" If someone has neck or spinal injutries and they are on a mountain then the Talons would be next to useless.

My local one uses a Macinnes stretcher..think its the Mark 7..which is very ridged and you can strap a casulty into it and lift vertically if need be. whats more, it is one of the few "winch ready" stretchers you can get.

The other option is a Stokes basket..these now come with a vacuum bag to literly wedge the patient in place. It has a back board and collar available that all slot into place.
 
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#12
mark131v said:
There in now a talon 3 which is a bit lighter and more pricey but there is another option in a bit of kit called a team 8 litter which is like the stuff used by moutain rescue but smaller and lighter, i think both are available through prometheus medical or narp (you will have to google them).

The only person who would ever suggest using a poncho is someone who has never had to casevac someone it is tottaly useless unless you have loads of blokes to use and is ballbagging you would probably end up doing more damage to the casualty. You can now get talon 2 through the mob it has an NSN and all that.

Mark
But they work very well in Afghan
 
#13
crow_bag said:
mark131v said:
There in now a talon 3 which is a bit lighter and more pricey but there is another option in a bit of kit called a team 8 litter which is like the stuff used by moutain rescue but smaller and lighter, i think both are available through prometheus medical or narp (you will have to google them).

The only person who would ever suggest using a poncho is someone who has never had to casevac someone it is tottaly useless unless you have loads of blokes to use and is ballbagging you would probably end up doing more damage to the casualty. You can now get talon 2 through the mob it has an NSN and all that.

Mark
But they work very well in Afghan

I saw a sort of canvas stretcher last weekend that was shown to us by a bloke in 144 para med sqn that looks like it is based on the idea of using a poncho. Looked more like a bivvy bag to be honest and you clip the casualty into it using webbing staps then you can either carry it using side handles similar to a poncho (if there are enough of you) or drag it using a long webbing loop strap (handy if you're alone, or two of you with a heavy casualty and you've got a lot of kit on.)

There was also a roll up stretcher aswell that was pretty rigid.
 
#14
RIGRAT said:
crow_bag said:
mark131v said:
There in now a talon 3 which is a bit lighter and more pricey but there is another option in a bit of kit called a team 8 litter which is like the stuff used by moutain rescue but smaller and lighter, i think both are available through prometheus medical or narp (you will have to google them).

The only person who would ever suggest using a poncho is someone who has never had to casevac someone it is tottaly useless unless you have loads of blokes to use and is ballbagging you would probably end up doing more damage to the casualty. You can now get talon 2 through the mob it has an NSN and all that.

Mark
But they work very well in Afghan

I saw a sort of canvas stretcher last weekend that was shown to us by a bloke in 144 para med sqn that looks like it is based on the idea of using a poncho. Looked more like a bivvy bag to be honest and you clip the casualty into it using webbing staps then you can either carry it using side handles similar to a poncho (if there are enough of you) or drag it using a long webbing loop strap (handy if you're alone, or two of you with a heavy casualty and you've got a lot of kit on.)

There was also a roll up stretcher aswell that was pretty rigid.
Was it one of these?

http://www.skedco.com/detail.aspx?categoryID=2&productID=295
 
#16
From Military and Rescue

MIBS Stretcher
Code:87301

This fully integrated bodysplint stretcher is a revolutionary casualty recovery system, it is inexpensive, robust, and easy to use and can be repaired. Made of 1100gsm ballistic Cordura, it is completely metal free, allowing it to be used in highly combustible atmospheres. The stretcher has safe lock buckles, adjustable foot trap, and head restraint and offers full casualty retention and support making a rapidly applied full body splint. 10mm of thermal insulation avoids extra body temperature loss.

The MIBS stretcher is a full rescue stretcher in its own right, with a capability in vertical or horizontal lifts and lowers. MIBS is very compact to store (74cm x 25cm), lightweight (3.5kg), and in multiple casualty situations many stretchers can be airdropped without fear of damage. MIBS can be used with any metal framed stretcher already rigged for a set lower or lift without the need to remove the casualty from the body splint cocoon. This along with the Spinal Extrication pack and Neoprene Splinting System all work together to provide the rescuer with a very versatile casualty support and recovery package that is unsurpassed by any other conventional system. All three units can be stowed inside each other in the same backpack.

NSN. 4290-99-254-6851
£280

That's the chosen one of our former CO who was a trained medic with RAMC(TA), so it's what would suggest to you. Rolls small, carries easily and cleans nicely with a wipe of a damp cloth.
 
#17
baboon6 said:
RIGRAT said:
crow_bag said:
mark131v said:
There in now a talon 3 which is a bit lighter and more pricey but there is another option in a bit of kit called a team 8 litter which is like the stuff used by moutain rescue but smaller and lighter, i think both are available through prometheus medical or narp (you will have to google them).

The only person who would ever suggest using a poncho is someone who has never had to casevac someone it is tottaly useless unless you have loads of blokes to use and is ballbagging you would probably end up doing more damage to the casualty. You can now get talon 2 through the mob it has an NSN and all that.

Mark
But they work very well in Afghan

I saw a sort of canvas stretcher last weekend that was shown to us by a bloke in 144 para med sqn that looks like it is based on the idea of using a poncho. Looked more like a bivvy bag to be honest and you clip the casualty into it using webbing staps then you can either carry it using side handles similar to a poncho (if there are enough of you) or drag it using a long webbing loop strap (handy if you're alone, or two of you with a heavy casualty and you've got a lot of kit on.)

There was also a roll up stretcher aswell that was pretty rigid.
Was it one of these?

http://www.skedco.com/detail.aspx?categoryID=2&productID=295
Yes mate, that looks very similar to the roll up one.
 
#20
have you ever been in contact?

how many people you going to need to get someone 100m on a poncho if he is out cold?

how many people you going to need to provide cover whilst 6 (answer to the above) of your platoon 7 if you count the cas try to heft the casualty to decent cover.... whos going to carry his kit and weapons?

if your going down this route you have other options pointy end stuff like grab his arms and legs and run like ****. firemans lift or tie his arms toghether with your CAT and drag him.

better still follow the 7 Ps and bring a talon or foxtrot litter, ponchos are the very last resort

Mark
 

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