Combat Fitness Test

#1
Does any body know whats going on with regards to the distance to be covered?
I know it stands at 4 miles now, but was told it would increase to 6 miles either september or this month and then progress back to the 8 miles next year.
Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
Many PTIs with many stories have somewhat blurred the picture!!
 
#2
c. Combat Fitness Test (TA) (CFT (TA)). The CFT (TA) standard will be a 6-mile loaded march. MATT documentation describes the conditions, including the load . The CFT(TA) will be the TA Fit For Appointment (FFA) standard, gained by the end of Phase 2 training. On warning for mobilisation, individuals will train up to the 8-mile requirement, which is the Fit For Mobilisation (FFM)/Fit For Deployment (FFD) standard. FFA, FFM and FFD are explained at Annex B.
d. CFT Distance. To allow the TA to adjust to the increased CFT standards, a gradual increase to the CFT distance will take place as follows:
(1) TY 06/07. FFA - 4 miles. FFM/FFD - 4 miles. Thus, 4 miles is the annual Level 1 and 2 requirement.
(2) TY 07/08. FFA - 6 miles. FFM/FFD - 6 miles. Thus, 6 miles is the annual Level 1 and 2 requirement.
(3) TY 08/09. FFA - 6 miles. FFM/FFD - 8 miles. Thus, 6 miles is the annual Level 2 requirement, and 8 miles the Level 1 requirement.
Linked to here from Army MATT page
 
#3
Start training for the 8 miler then .At least we use bergans now always hated trying to fill the weight in 58 pattern
 
#4
Purple_Emperor said:
c. Combat Fitness Test (TA) (CFT (TA)). The CFT (TA) standard will be a 6-mile loaded march. MATT documentation describes the conditions, including the load . The CFT(TA) will be the TA Fit For Appointment (FFA) standard, gained by the end of Phase 2 training. On warning for mobilisation, individuals will train up to the 8-mile requirement, which is the Fit For Mobilisation (FFM)/Fit For Deployment (FFD) standard. FFA, FFM and FFD are explained at Annex B.
d. CFT Distance. To allow the TA to adjust to the increased CFT standards, a gradual increase to the CFT distance will take place as follows:
(1) TY 06/07. FFA - 4 miles. FFM/FFD - 4 miles. Thus, 4 miles is the annual Level 1 and 2 requirement.
(2) TY 07/08. FFA - 6 miles. FFM/FFD - 6 miles. Thus, 6 miles is the annual Level 1 and 2 requirement.
(3) TY 08/09. FFA - 6 miles. FFM/FFD - 8 miles. Thus, 6 miles is the annual Level 2 requirement, and 8 miles the Level 1 requirement.
Okay,

So a the end of my phase 2 training, 6 miles but to be fit for mobilisation I've got to do 8. Fine. But which one gives me the tick in the efficiency box?

Can we not just make it 8 miles?

Linked to here from Army MATT page
 
#5
Well lets be honest, if the 8 miles becomes a requirement for bounty earning, the TA will lose 80% of its manpower.
Good call, men in Ivory Towers!
 

The_Duke

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#6
ubique66 said:
Well lets be honest, if the 8 miles becomes a requirement for bounty earning, the TA will lose 80% of its manpower.
Good call, men in Ivory Towers!
Speak for yourself, snail boy. If they make it 8 miles the TA will lose 80% of its wasters, with the remaining 20% of wasters bucking their ideas up to keep the bounty.

For the vast majority it just requires a change in mindset and a slightly longer walk. Lets not make it up to be a big deal - it isn't!
 
#7
I agree with the Duke.

Boot out those that will never do it.
Train up those that can nearly do it.
Reward those that can do it with Beer & Strippers.

Only exceptions for key enablers (ie good chefs), but don't give them their bounty.
 
#8
It isn't a big deal but but if you look at a certain floating regiment, currently under strength, the average age is 40 and trade wise they are invaluable. Put this restriction on and it WILL cease to exist. Who loses out?
 

The_Duke

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#9
So because they are 40 they are incapable of walking 6 miles with 15Kg? Watch out, there are new age discrimination rules in place now, you know! Did they manage the 4 miles last year, or have their CofC always fudged the books?
 
#11
why will the TA lose 80% of its manpower if CFT's GO BACK to eight miles when i joined 11 years ago that was what we did then it dropped to 4 miles to appease the bounty hunters who failed nearly all there itd's anyway and it is the same people who failed the 8 milers who are failling the 4 milers after an initial schimf everybody will be used to the 8miler again and it will still be the same people failing and they will still get signed off on there bounty as the head sheads will be scared of loosing numbers
aaaaaaaannnnnnnnnndd..................... breath
rant mode off
 
#12
I can't understand why people make such a big deal of this, if you are not up to the standard of 8 mile's and are not prepared to put in the training to get to the standard then don't join, simple as that. We might lose a few people but on the other hand we might gain a few more who think that maybe we are a serious fighting force and not dad's army, after all that is what we want a one army concept so if the reg's do it so do we. The old and bold i have spoken to about this say they have hat to do it at some point before in there military time, be it ta or reg, some say they will crack on and train for it, other's say that it's time to leave but most of them where going to go any way.
 
#13
Best CFT I ever did was with 1 Wessex in Denmark.

Helicopter drop 8 miles out. CFT back to camp.

msr
 
#14
Monster said:
I can't understand why people make such a big deal of this, if you are not up to the standard of 8 mile's and are not prepared to put in the training to get to the standard then don't join, simple as that. We might lose a few people but on the other hand we might gain a few more who think that maybe we are a serious fighting force and not dad's army, after all that is what we want a one army concept so if the reg's do it so do we. The old and bold i have spoken to about this say they have hat to do it at some point before in there military time, be it ta or reg, some say they will crack on and train for it, other's say that it's time to leave but most of them where going to go any way.
My bold.

I agree, but a balance needs to be struck between an effective reserve and an effective amount of reserve. A cadre of only 1000 fully-fit soldiers is no more use than what we have today.

That said, if we want to serve with the regs, we need to show we are as good as them in the basic things like walking, running, and shooting.

Just my 2 pence worth.

FF.
 
#15
What's the drama FFS? It's only a two hour walk at a relatively easy pace. OK so you're carrying 55lbs and you're going to sweat a bit, but at the end of the day if you can't or won't do it then you shouldn't be in. End of story.
 
#16
brewmeister said:
What's the drama FFS? It's only a two hour walk at a relatively easy pace. OK so you're carrying 55lbs and you're going to sweat a bit, but at the end of the day if you can't or won't do it then you shouldn't be in. End of story.
I guess I agree.

Anything that doesn't kill the TA can only make it stronger. Just less populated, I guess, but only less populated with people who can't hike 8 miles...
 
#17
Lets be honest troops, complete a 2 hour walk once a year and you get £1500 (ish) tax free.

Its not that hard to get yourself fit enough to complete is it?

If it is then perhaps the TA isn't for you afterall.
 
#18
Yes we might lose people, but have you lot considered that we might gain more people if the TA isn't seen as some sad dads army orginasation.

And the people we will lose will be unfit anyway, and the people likely to join a TA which has the same standards as the regs wont be looking for an easy option to act out waltish fantasies.we all know the type, most get f**ked off at or before CMS(r) but some are given a tick in the box and a pass despite clearly not meeting the standards.

I've lost count of the ammount of times i've worked very hard to pass everything without help only to see some biff who has clearly failed get the same pass as me.

I've been told that MATT's will stop the "everyones a winner" approach and we will have to take responsibility for our training and revise regulary and put in a lot of effort to get our bounties, I remember countless times where sheets with answers on have been passed around at test like vehicle recognition and NBC to make sure everyone passes, this really f**ks me off because i actually take the time to learn this stuff.
 
#19
The other point is that if you get attached to a Regular Unit you will be expected to do an 8 mile CFT - as 4 recently mobilised TA blokes sent to my unit found out to their discomfort last week (only 2 of which completed it).
 
#20
I appreciate the feedback on my comment, but I think the point is missed slightly. Most of the people who want to join the TA are in already, WAGS permitting. There is a massive shortage both TA and Regular anyway. Its ok to say the TA will have to get fitter or leave but where are the replacements?. Believe me I have tried recruiting and there is not the interest. The units, certainly the specialist ones WILL cease to exist
 

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