Colombian Special Forces to Afghanistan

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Colombia has been a recipient of massive US aid - especially in the miltary field - for years.

So no arm-twisting there then....
 
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That's why it makes sense ;)
 
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The reality is that even with US hand-holding the capability they will bring is zero.

They will continually pester COMISAF or RC(S) to be let off the leash and doing so would produce more problems than cures.

Unfortunately ISAF has too many 'Special' Forces callsigns from minor nations whose capability is less than any UK infantry battalion. Stamping thier feet like petulant children stating that they do Offensive Action on their own countries does not cut the mustard.

It's a good story for the Columbians though, but their net effect will be nil.
 

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Augustus said:
The reality is that even with US hand-holding the capability they will bring is zero.

They will continually pester COMISAF or RC(S) to be let off the leash and doing so would produce more problems than cures.

Unfortunately ISAF has too many 'Special' Forces callsigns from minor nations whose capability is less than any UK infantry battalion. Stamping thier feet like petulant children stating that they do Offensive Action on their own countries does not cut the mustard.

It's a good story for the Columbians though, but their net effect will be nil.
This sort of realistic view of events will never lead to a career in politics you know.
 
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Schaden said:
Augustus said:
The reality is that even with US hand-holding the capability they will bring is zero.

They will continually pester COMISAF or RC(S) to be let off the leash and doing so would produce more problems than cures.

Unfortunately ISAF has too many 'Special' Forces callsigns from minor nations whose capability is less than any UK infantry battalion. Stamping thier feet like petulant children stating that they do Offensive Action on their own countries does not cut the mustard.

It's a good story for the Columbians though, but their net effect will be nil.
This sort of realistic view of events will never lead to a career in politics you know.
I also forgot to cite the example of the 'Special Needs' callsign from a Baltic State who, two years ago, when let off the leash managed to brass up a US FOB.

Fortunately nobody was KIA, but it could have been worse. It couldn't have been more inept.
 
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Tap, tap, tap.... snuuueeeerrrrfffff...

Sorry, what were you saying?
 
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So Columbia's finest take on the Afghan drug lords. Will the winner be playing the Jamaican Defence force in the finals?
 
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Just what Afghanistan needs. A surge of cocaine and coffee.
 
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Augustus said:
The reality is that even with US hand-holding the capability they will bring is zero.

They will continually pester COMISAF or RC(S) to be let off the leash and doing so would produce more problems than cures.

Unfortunately ISAF has too many 'Special' Forces callsigns from minor nations whose capability is less than any UK infantry battalion. Stamping thier feet like petulant children stating that they do Offensive Action on their own countries does not cut the mustard.

It's a good story for the Columbians though, but their net effect will be nil.
Callsigns?! We don' need no steenkin' callsigns! :twisted:
 
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Augustus said:
The reality is that even with US hand-holding the capability they will bring is zero.

They will continually pester COMISAF or RC(S) to be let off the leash and doing so would produce more problems than cures.

Unfortunately ISAF has too many 'Special' Forces callsigns from minor nations whose capability is less than any UK infantry battalion. Stamping thier feet like petulant children stating that they do Offensive Action on their own countries does not cut the mustard.

It's a good story for the Columbians though, but their net effect will be nil.
From my experiences with foreign armies you've pretty much spoken the truth with perhaps one caveat here for the Colombians. They've had that one thing that does matter; combat experience in their own particularly nasty internal war.
 
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If they take out all the drug czars and middle men, who is going to buy the local poppy crop the average poor Afghani farmers produce.
I thought the only reason it hadn,t been destroyed was because it would leave the local farmers with no income for that particular year, thus driving the farmers into the arms of the taliban.
Why can't Western Governments buy their produce for morphine.
Why aren't afghan farmers subsidised to grow wheat so they can compete on world markets. I can't find the link, but I do remember reading that due to trade embargos etc EU will not import goods from Afghanistan.
If our troops are there to stabilise the nation, building secure roads, enabling local farmers to get their goods to market has to be a start.
Also it would be a help if they had market to sell it. Hello eu, here's a chance to fcuk over another country by giving it favorable trading terms.
 
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The Colombians are more capable than most of the "Crazies" currently operating in Afghanistan. Their CN experience will be useful but more cynically their involvement in Afghanistan is pretty good insurance against the rise of Chavez in Venezuela and the increasingly Leftist countries in S America.
 
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Augustus said:
The reality is that even with US hand-holding the capability they will bring is zero.

They will continually pester COMISAF or RC(S) to be let off the leash and doing so would produce more problems than cures.

Unfortunately ISAF has too many 'Special' Forces callsigns from minor nations whose capability is less than any UK infantry battalion. Stamping thier feet like petulant children stating that they do Offensive Action on their own countries does not cut the mustard.

It's a good story for the Columbians though, but their net effect will be nil.
It's obvious you have no experience with Colombian personnel... they are damned good light infantry who are intimately familiar with counter insurgency. If they are "let off the leash" they will certainly erradicate any tango cells in their AO and put every other force in the region to shame.
 
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Khyros said:
Augustus said:
The reality is that even with US hand-holding the capability they will bring is zero.

They will continually pester COMISAF or RC(S) to be let off the leash and doing so would produce more problems than cures.

Unfortunately ISAF has too many 'Special' Forces callsigns from minor nations whose capability is less than any UK infantry battalion. Stamping thier feet like petulant children stating that they do Offensive Action on their own countries does not cut the mustard.

It's a good story for the Columbians though, but their net effect will be nil.
It's obvious you have no experience with Colombian personnel... they are damned good light infantry who are intimately familiar with counter insurgency. If they are "let off the leash" they will certainly erradicate any tango cells in their AO and put every other force in the region to shame.
Dont know how first-hand or current your experience of the Colombian Military are. Mine are nearly 10 years out of date, but going back to the late 90's, they were not impressive. I think as stated before, on paper, this looks good, and will not hurt. But give me a solid Brit infantry battalion before any latin American SF.
 
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para-dox said:
Dont know how first-hand or current your experience of the Colombian Military are. Mine are nearly 10 years out of date, but going back to the late 90's, they were not impressive. I think as stated before, on paper, this looks good, and will not hurt. But give me a solid Brit infantry battalion before any latin American SF.
The troopies they are sending are NOT your average rank and file Colombian soldiers by a long shot, this particular bunch are as tactically and technically proficient as anything that exists in NATO. My one reservation is how they will get along with civilians in their sector as they are a rather devout bunch and might not be so civil towards muslims.
 
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Virgil said:
Augustus said:
The reality is that even with US hand-holding the capability they will bring is zero.



It's a good story for the Columbians though, but their net effect will be nil.
From my experiences with foreign armies you've pretty much spoken the truth with perhaps one caveat here for the Colombians. They've had that one thing that does matter; combat experience in their own particularly nasty internal war.
I worked with the Colombian Bn In Sinia as part of the MFO, they were among the best we had, discipline was good and even the youngest had experience gained the hard way. We should be thankful that another Nation is stepping up to the base, it may shame those that don't.
 

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