To try and bring this on track - to actually discuss something vagely sensible.....and to try and bring order fron chaos..... What is individual and collective trg like at unit level now? Reason I ask is that "when I" was a Troopy... we had the ability to go to Vogelsang as a Sqn, complete intensive range packages, carry out live firing anti ambush drills (OK one of my soldiers was shot during that one - luckily I wasn't there at the time or running the range!) and even do Pl attacks using blank and pyro. Hard work, bloody good fun - loads of bonding sessions as well involving yellow handbags - showed up leadership - good, bad and ugly. Am now in an All Arms Trg environment and get the impression that the RLC don't come out of it well when it comes down to individual skills.....entirely due to lack of funding? Which is the impression created here. Discuss! No more - he has his medals on upside down or I don't like chefs*, ATOs*, Trogs*, chunkies* other* (*delete where nec) it is extremely dull.