Collective punishment and may reoccur

#1
I want to find out what is the best way to approach this as the Sqn I'm in has been threatened with other forms of collective punishment on parade by OC.

Today we had one which he insists will occur again if anyone steps into his in tray on Monday morning regarding bad behaviour over the weekends in the bars, assaulting others / starting fights or any more block damages.

Today was only PT at 1600, so boo hoo, this doesn't bother me but when he very openly threatens everyone in the sqn with exercises over the weekend and further should other incidents occur.

Its this collective punishment and/or late PT parades on Friday.

Over the prior months many have reoccurred or messed up on a weekly basis, with the OC dishing out AGIA's, ROP's and charges.

Its' really not that many doing it but has the power gone to his head? To everyone it seems he doesn't want the paperwork any more and to me this is very unfair to continue with more collective punishment.
 
#3
Have you tried not acting like cnuts? Old fashioned I know.

Is this Gutersloh by any chance?
 
#4
Not sure how helpful the CoC will be, CQMS ... sounds like it's common knowledge that the lads in this sqn are particularly lively, and the OC's getting like this precisely because he's got the CO breathing down his neck.
 
#5
Blanket punishment was a way of getting the fuckwits sorted out by those that wanted to get on and do the job.

Frowned upon nowadays but doing a little extra PT is hardly punishment!
 
#7
Not sure how helpful the CoC will be, CQMS ... sounds like it's common knowledge that the lads in this sqn are particularly lively, and the OC's getting like this precisely because he's got the CO breathing down his neck.
The correct thing to do is not get caught even if they are cnuts however, the CoC is the proper answer. The OC just needs them in a field freezing their tits off until they behave, that'll get the NCO's motivated.
 
#10
This does sound a bit shit - block damages you can do something about. There should be a block Corporal who should have responsibility for your accomodation - go to him and ensure he knows that you will back him up if he needs it. I am sure you know who the hard buggers are in your Tp/Pln. Bring them on side if you can as well - I am sure they are fed up with it too.

You don't have to threaten violence - if everyone knows that their peers within the unit are sick of getting home late on a Friday then hopefully the ********* will wind their necks in. If they don't then hopefully the Corporals should start to approach the Sgts and get some AGAI action started. (There is nothing wrong with this - it's not grassing, it's looking after your home FFS)

Not sure what you can do about the drunken assault and bad behaviour - some people will always act like ********* when they have a few pints of wife beater down their necks. All you can do is hope people take the hint and wind it in a bit.

Keep a diary of exactly what is going on - what happened to provoke the punishment, what you as a unit got for it. Be as exact and objective as you can. If it carries on, ensure there is nothing in it to identify you and consider sending it up the chain of command anonomously (ex sp)
 
#12
I want to find out what is the best way to approach this as the Sqn I'm in has been threatened with other forms of collective punishment on parade by OC.
My first inclination was that this has to be a wah. Just in case it isn't then the best way to approach it is to stop whining like a 4 year old girl whose just lost her Barbie and get a grip of your worthless self you utter tool. If the children (RLC soldiers?) misbehave then the chain of command is not only entitled but expected to deal with them in a robust manner. If you stop being such a pathetic little pile of faeces then perhaps you will be treated like a grown up. Maybe you hadn't realised that you were in the Army and instead thought you had somehow enrolled for the Little Puddlington Brownies?

No, on second thoughts, I'm being grossly unfair. You are being victimised and I'm sure there must be a special helpline somewhere to deal with exactly your kind of issue. I hope that, despite this unjust adversity, you will continue to be a brave little soldier.
 
#13
If they don't then hopefully the Corporals should start to approach the Sgts and get some AGAI action started. (There is nothing wrong with this - it's not grassing, it's looking after your home FFS)
You know Cpls, even LCpls, can actually AGAI off their own bat...
 
#15
You sound like the sort of snide shit from whom we used to take great pleasure by filling in after a night on the town.
You sound like the sort of drunken moron who kicks off in a kebab shop after 4 pints of stella. If you were a civvy who did that then we would be castigating that sort of behaviour on here - especially if it were civvy v's squaddie.
 
#16
Keep a diary of exactly what is going on - what happened to provoke the punishment, what you as a unit got for it. Be as exact and objective as you can. If it carries on, ensure there is nothing in it to identify you and consider sending it up the chain of command anonomously (ex sp)

There is no point in doing it anon. Anon complaints are ignored. If you feel that you are being treated unfairly, or bullied, speak to your CoC. If you are not happy with that, then write direct to the Service Complaints Commisioner. That usually makes people sit up.
 
#17
Keep a diary of exactly what is going on - what happened to provoke the punishment, what you as a unit got for it. Be as exact and objective as you can. If it carries on, ensure there is nothing in it to identify you and consider sending it up the chain of command anonomously (ex sp)

There is no point in doing it anon. Anon complaints are ignored. If you feel that you are being treated unfairly, or bullied, speak to your CoC. If you are not happy with that, then write direct to the Service Complaints Commisioner. That usually makes people sit up.
Cheers Crab & Pongo. Never made a complaint like that, but good to know.
 
#18
You sound like the sort of snide shit from whom we used to take great pleasure by filling in after a night on the town.
You utter, utter waste of a uniform, rations, pay and everything else.

If there is one thing that continues to disappoint me about being a soldier, it is that mouth breathing knuckle draggers like you routinely debase my and the Army's reputation by insisting on confusing loyalty with integrity at every twist and turn. Someone is trying to do something about the minority of ********* who expect their 'mates' to carry the can for them, and has asked for advice on how to do so internally without making a massive deal out of it. Your opinion is that he needs filling in, probably because you are the sort of person he takes umbrage at - routinely dropping bollocks and then assuming that everyone around you will gladly take punishment on your behalf because you are such a great bloke/character/etc etc, rather than accepting that your actions have consequences.

And, in case I forgot to mention it earlier, you are a shitcunt.
 
#19
How about you collectively get a grip of the cnuts that are getting you in trouble?




Unless you're in the RLC
I think you are dead on. If 8/10 of the Sqn are at risk from 2/10 acting like ASBO Kings, the 8 needs to grip the 2.

They may not even need a shoe-ing. Just have it made plain that they're not so much Jack The Lad as sad *******.

I spent 2 years teaching the lads in my rifle coy that it took more to walk away from a fight, than to wade into one, and that when you're in jail/AWOL some ****** else has to carry your share of the work, and - on Ops - the risk, as well as their own.

Seemed to work. The drinking didn't stop, but there was an outbreak of growing up.
 
#20
My first inclination was that this has to be a wah. Just in case it isn't then the best way to approach it is to stop whining like a 4 year old girl whose just lost her Barbie and get a grip of your worthless self you utter tool. If the children (RLC soldiers?) misbehave then the chain of command is not only entitled but expected to deal with them in a robust manner . . .BLAHBLAHBLAH
Part of the problem. Traditional "Robust Manner" is ineffective. Trust me on this; was a time my old Bn had the worst court martial record in BAOR, for drink-related crimes of violence.

"Robustly" jailing pissed Toms just reinforced their reputations.

Only when (in NI on an 18mth tour) the Toms cottoned on that drunken scraps in a pub don't so much enhance your cool factor,so much as make you look like a dysfunctional Chav/Pikey wastrel, and a disgrace to both cap badge and comrades, did the thing get better. And it got much better.

Most of the officers didn't get it, BTW. Funny that.
 
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