Cold war Home Defense Questions

Yokel

LE
The term 'grey zone' is new as far as I am aware, but surely there were similar things in the Cold War? Acts of sabotage and so that that fell below the threshold of conflict, but were real threats and would need to be defended against.

Thoughts anyone?
 

JasonArgo

Clanker
The term 'grey zone' is new as far as I am aware, but surely there were similar things in the Cold War? Acts of sabotage and so that that fell below the threshold of conflict, but were real threats and would need to be defended against.

Thoughts anyone?

Buster Crab was a UK frogman who got his throat cut under the water by the Russian navy I think it was in Portland Bill.
 

JasonArgo

Clanker
What @Filthy_contract said......
I all my research I never came across that, there were plans to secure gold reserves in various locales around the country though.

In WW2 operation Fish, the UK gold was shipped to Canada.
I expect if the government had time, they would have tried to fly the gold to the USA or Canada.

Without control of the gold reserves, the UK prime minister could lose his authority.

In reality, I suspect whoever was guarding the gold with their guns would start thinking about how to make off with it. The UK is an island though, so it would be a different situation to a country like Germany, where the guards could just load up some trucks and drive over the border.
 
Buster Crab was a UK frogman who got his throat cut under the water by the Russian navy I think it was in Portland Bill.
Not the Crabb incident, but 25 years ago I was reading a ghastly militaria rag when I was a spotty recruit in the CCF. There was an article about Spetznaz and a tiny paragraph discussed RN divers finding caterpillar tracks on the seabed inside Portsmouth (or was it Plymouth?) Harbour (possibly in the 1980s, possibly earlier).

Did anything come of that that we know of in open sources?
 
Not the Crabb incident, but 25 years ago I was reading a ghastly militaria rag when I was a spotty recruit in the CCF. There was an article about Spetznaz and a tiny paragraph discussed RN divers finding caterpillar tracks on the seabed inside Portsmouth (or was it Plymouth?) Harbour (possibly in the 1980s, possibly earlier).

Did anything come of that that we know of in open sources?
I think I have heard that about the Baltic, found by Swedish Navy?
 

LD17

MIA
In WW2 operation Fish, the UK gold was shipped to Canada.
I expect if the government had time, they would have tried to fly the gold to the USA or Canada.

Without control of the gold reserves, the UK prime minister could lose his authority.

In reality, I suspect whoever was guarding the gold with their guns would start thinking about how to make off with it. The UK is an island though, so it would be a different situation to a country like Germany, where the guards could just load up some trucks and drive over the border.
The Gold was shipped over to Canada because there was a real fear of invasion, and it was government policy, under Churchill at least, to continue to fight even if the UK was occupied using the Dominions & Empire. For WW3, if Ivan made it to Calais without being nuked crossing the Rhine by France or the UK I would be surprised. The Gold was needed to be kept in the UK for the planned rebuilding after the nukes fell. The initial escort to the locales around the country was tasked to one of the Guards Bns in London.
That being said I have found documents in the NA indicating that as the Chunnel was being built, there were plans to demolish it in war.
 
The Gold was shipped over to Canada because there was a real fear of invasion, and it was government policy, under Churchill at least, to continue to fight even if the UK was occupied using the Dominions & Empire. For WW3, if Ivan made it to Calais without being nuked crossing the Rhine by France or the UK I would be surprised. The Gold was needed to be kept in the UK for the planned rebuilding after the nukes fell. The initial escort to the locales around the country was tasked to one of the Guards Bns in London.
That being said I have found documents in the NA indicating that as the Chunnel was being built, there were plans to demolish it in war.

Presumably the National Gallery and similar would have had internal plans for movement of their valuble items out of London, but do we know if this was ever covered by state planning? One would expect there to be plans to move the Crown Jewels (especially as they have a politico-constitutional role in creating a new head of state if necessary).
 

LD17

MIA
Presumably the National Gallery and similar would have had internal plans for movement of their valuble items out of London, but do we know if this was ever covered by state planning? One would expect there to be plans to move the Crown Jewels (especially as they have a politico-constitutional role in creating a new head of state if necessary).
According to the Government War Book there were four Guards Bn’s, tasked on TTW, to the following:
Royal Duties- an Inf. Bn. & Ard. Recce Sqd. For the Queen & Royal Family escort/protection
A Bn. To secure art treausres & gold reserves
A Bn. To support HM's customs & border security (rounding up suspected Soviet agents & persons deemed to threaten security)
A Bn. For escort/protection of HM's govt.
 
According to the Government War Book there were four Guards Bn’s, tasked on TTW, to the following:
Royal Duties- an Inf. Bn. & Ard. Recce Sqd. For the Queen & Royal Family escort/protection
A Bn. To secure art treausres & gold reserves
A Bn. To support HM's customs & border security (rounding up suspected Soviet agents & persons deemed to threaten security)
A Bn. For escort/protection of HM's govt.
persons deemed to threaten security) - Would love to see 'The List'!
 

Slime

LE
persons deemed to threaten security) - Would love to see 'The List'!

At least they could have had the privilege of being rounded up.
We all know what the fate of some of those on similar lists during WW2 would have been if the Grermans had invaded.
 
At least they could have had the privilege of being rounded up.
We all know what the fate of some of those on similar lists during WW2 would have been if the Grermans had invaded.
Well at least we think we do. It’s actually an interesting conundrum and I have written a story about it based on the possibility that the Labour Government after the war came to an agreement with Stalin and made us a Soviet Satelite.
 

Slime

LE
Well at least we think we do. It’s actually an interesting conundrum and I have written a story about it based on the possibility that the Labour Government after the war came to an agreement with Stalin and made us a Soviet Satelite.

True, but as those involved were the ones telling us it was so, at least it’s first hand accounts.

Having re read my post, in case of doubt, I was referring to the lists the auxiliary units had, not the little black book the Germans had.
 
Well at least we think we do. It’s actually an interesting conundrum and I have written a story about it based on the possibility that the Labour Government after the war came to an agreement with Stalin and made us a Soviet Satelite.
Did your story also foretell the Wilson Government (giving hovercraft designs, jet engine IPR, etc to the Russians), "Red Robbo", and the decline of British manufacturing industry ?! :( .
 

LD17

MIA
persons deemed to threaten security) - Would love to see 'The List'!
I believe it’s like the KP list, embargoed from release due to National Security. The National Archives might have a listing for it but it will say that it’s being held from release by the producing Agency/Department.
The Guards Bn was assigned because most, like known Soviet agents, would be treated as EPWs and taken into Army custody. British Citizens and agents without known official cover would be taken into custody by MI5/MI6 IIRC.
 

Latest Threads

Top