Col. Tims Speech Scared his Soldiers

#1
According to his ex RSM, Collins' speech was too graphic in talking about death and put the wind up his soldiers.

Don't know about them but I would have been a little uncomfortable anyway, that close to action (chronically speaking).

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#3
It's just hot air to publicise his own book, and generate some interest in what might not receive much attention otherwise. After all, his boss has alredy written on the subject, and I bet all the best anecdotes are already in print.
 
#4
I used to play rugby (many moons ago) with TC.

His blokes thought he was the 'dogs gonnads' - I have not seen the bloke for donkeys years but, I do remember him quite well.

Can't help thinking and remembering that he was a 'soldiers soldier' then, when he made his speech and probably still is now. Need to be a Ranger to make an educated entry I suppose but, as an outsider who knew him socially, he seemed like a seriously top bloke.

Dragoon
 
#6
frenchperson said:
The guys were told they had starring roles in an MOD careers ad and Collins went and blew the gaffe.
Really ? Care to expand ? I know a couple of blokes who were there but, not heard that before.
 
#9
Went down well at the time, now 4/5 years on someone is publishing his memoirs, so Decent Well Respected Officer gets it in the back.
john
 
#10
He's the LOD ffs, they need to be scared of him, not his pre-contact spiel.
 
#11
Tim Collins was a great CO...

Dougie Beattie was also a fantastic RSM...

Whatever, hope they both make some dosh out of their memoirs. Just not by dragging everyone down in the process.
 
#12
wrighty said:
Tim Collins was a great CO...

Dougie Beattie was also a fantastic RSM...

Whatever, hope they both make some dosh out of their memoirs. Just not by dragging everyone down in the process.
You sir are a Gentleman, well said.
 
#13
All I can say is Beattie's book is full of shite!!! his claims on certain aspects/acts of Garmsir were done by other individuals of the team and not him, as claimed. I know who my money is on!!
 
#14
Would this be the same Beattie who when asked outside the Sgts Mess by a SNCO when he was RSM how could he justify his blase attitude to his fellow Mess members replied "I couldn't give a **** about members of the Mess"? Its strange how he feels that he has now to berate Tim Collins about his speech ( oh yes Beattie now has a book out) regarding his turn of speech. Old dogs have long memories and can come back to bite you on the arse Dougie! People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, unless of course the money from your book will buy replacement panes of glass. How do I know I was there.
 
#15
Dougie Beattie was there and he did it. More than many on this thread can say!

Now he wants to make a bit of cash out of his experiences, good on him.

Is he disrespecting his former CO? Not really. In the round, he seems to be praising TC for banishing any thoughts of complacency: this was war not Nintendo!
 
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#16
washedup said:
Would this be the same Beattie who when asked outside the Sgts Mess by a SNCO when he was RSM how could he justify his blase attitude to his fellow Mess members replied "I couldn't give a **** about members of the Mess"? Its strange how he feels that he has now to berate Tim Collins about his speech ( oh yes Beattie now has a book out) regarding his turn of speech. Old dogs have long memories and can come back to bite you on the arse Dougie! People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, unless of course the money from your book will buy replacement panes of glass. How do I know I was there.
Then convince us with a bit more. I just love what comes out on the back of 'the next squaddie book' release threads. With a bit of luck, he'll come on pretending to be another poster and argue with you, then he'll miracualously appear as himself.

Which reminds me....whatever happened to 'Love Taps' Tam from the Black Watch?
 
#17
His speech was excellent, unlike the Shed 13 Speech given to all who were there in Al Jubayl in the early days of GWI, that so called 'Man O God' frightened the living daylights out of the several thousand of us stood in there that day, I can't remember exactly what was siad but the mention of us all about to happily sacrifice ourselves for World Peace went down like a lead balloon...

Anyone else remember it?! 8O
 
#18
Haven't read the book so I don't know for sure but Beattie may be perpetuating a bit of a myth- from what I've heard from older soldiers about other "Going into action, some of you may not be coming back" speeches, esp from Padres, it's customary to suggest it put the wind up the listeners, part of army humour.

Probably goes back all the way back to that "Some of you lads won't have been in a wooden horse before" speech
 
#19
No books from this callsign! Would love the two faced git to reply to me, having had the opportunity to serve both with Tim Collins and himself would love to remind him how he sold his soul to the Devil. Famous words on becoming RSM "theres no way I'll become an officer" until it came time for him to get his commision then his true colours showed. Its amazing how quickly they learn to breath rarified air and forget where they came from!
 
#20
I think the BBC report has made more of an issue of what Beattie wrote than perhaps he intended, but nevertheless there seems to be an increasing tendency in military books to offer criticism of former comrades who are still very much around, sometimes even still serving.

By all means make a buck if you can, but why have a pop at former comrades? It just seems petty and unnecessary.
 
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