Close Protection on tour

#1
What are your guys thoughts on a signal sqn being sent on tour on a close protection/infantry role? As I think it is mad and dont quite understand how this could happen, it's just asking for trouble....
 
#4
Signal Squadrons have provided protection to formation headquarters and their own locations for a long time. This is one of the reasons why the Army wastes so much time training signallers, sappers, gunners and underwater hang-gliding farriers to be infantrymen first, specialists second, third and last. If you asked me to take my battery and carry out a dismounted company attack then fine, i'd look a bit askance but I think with adequate rehearsals then it could be done. Overstretch makes strange demands but this is NOT one of them IMHO.
 
#5
But your not trained Infantrymen , why does this always come up . Non-infantry are trained soldiers
. there is a big difference . A trained soldier can protect his own units location .Infantrymen a damn sight
more than that .
 
#6
Cuddles said:
If you asked me to take my battery and carry out a dismounted company attack then fine, i'd look a bit askance but I think with adequate rehearsals then it could be done.
Hmmm, suppose that's why an inf OC has probably got about 7/8 years' worth of training to do the same...
 
#7
I agree with DM - I'd be seriously unimpressed!

Senior bloke: 'Ah Darth - go and take out that position, will you?'

Me: 'Of course Sir - any chance I could have a few platoons of Infanteers as well?' :)
 
#10
Royal Signals have already carried out this "Infantry role". NI in early 90's. Heavily based around 212 Sig Sqn, part of 4 Div at the time.
 
#11
During WW2 my father was a Captain/Bty 2ic of an HAC heavy anti aircraft battery. He and his guys spent far more time as mobile infantry than they ever did shooting down planes.
 
#13
dogmonkey said:
Cuddles said:
If you asked me to take my battery and carry out a dismounted company attack then fine, i'd look a bit askance but I think with adequate rehearsals then it could be done.
Hmmm, suppose that's why an inf OC has probably got about 7/8 years' worth of training to do the same...
5 Fd Sqn RE did an Inf tour of Belfast in 97 with PWRR. Their CO made some "cherry boys" remarks when he initally addressed the Sqn.

During the tour he ate them publicly with a large slice of humble pie which raised our respect for him.
 
#14
There is a big difference between force protection and an infantry role. As has been said Phase 1 Trains soldiers NOT infanteers. What would the infantry do in Phase 2 if they had already done it all in phase 1.

However so that no Corps types think im having a go i will say i could comforatbly sleep at night with any trade of British soldiers sangar bashing for me. I'd even feel happy with them provide local patrols around the camp i was in. However if I needed an extra section for a recce patrol or ambush. I'd want British Infanteers!
 
#15
Bad_Crow said:
There is a big difference between force protection and an infantry role. As has been said Phase 1 Trains soldiers NOT infanteers. What would the infantry do in Phase 2 if they had already done it all in phase 1.
I am a corps guy and just out of interest what do they do in phase 2 :?:
 
#16
Boot (Infantry) tours of NI wre common for Sappers/Gunners/RAC during the seventies but the Sappers were withdrawn to concerntrate on the huge building/FP programme that followed Maggies entry in to office. Gunners and RAC do COIN type tours of Iraq and have done since TELIC 1 (JNBCR had its own AO around Al Qurnah). With the increase in infantry type roles but a decrease in infantry establishment the use of CS units is likely to increase. This is not a problem if the training period is tailored to suit. 4-6 months is more than sufficient.
 
#17
Learn the roll of an Inf Junior NCO
Learn how conduct all types of patrols in Details Standing, Recce, Fighting, stanby, Close target recce's etc
Advanced Fieldcraft, Stalking (Fit women)
Advanced Marksmanship transistion to field firing
Introduction to Platoon Assets and weapons
"Advanced Fitness" (Needs to get harder still)
Thats off the top of my head but there is plenty more!
 
#18
Bad_Crow said:
Learn the roll of an Inf Junior NCO
Learn how conduct all types of patrols in Details Standing, Recce, Fighting, stanby, Close target recce's etc
Advanced Fieldcraft, Stalking (Fit women)
Advanced Marksmanship transistion to field firing
Introduction to Platoon Assets and weapons
"Advanced Fitness" (Needs to get harder still)
Thats off the top of my head but there is plenty more!
All of that is achievable to a good standard in Pre Deployment Training.

If Instructors from the Bn that you are deploying with assist, it ensures you are all on the same song sheet and improves the inter-operability bit. Could you sleep then?
 
#19
FireChid666 said:
What are your guys thoughts on a signal sqn being sent on tour on a close protection/infantry role?
CP is a RMP role - so what do you really mean?


As I think it is mad and dont quite understand how this could happen, it's just asking for trouble....
Are you going on a tour somewhere? Are you trying to complain about the role you have been given? Come on tell us the truth (OPSEC permitting).
 
#20
Priam said:
Bad_Crow said:
Learn the roll of an Inf Junior NCO
Learn how conduct all types of patrols in Details Standing, Recce, Fighting, stanby, Close target recce's etc
Advanced Fieldcraft, Stalking (Fit women)
Advanced Marksmanship transistion to field firing
Introduction to Platoon Assets and weapons
"Advanced Fitness" (Needs to get harder still)
Thats off the top of my head but there is plenty more!
All of that is achievable to a good standard in Pre Deployment Training.

If Instructors from the Bn that you are deploying with assist, it ensures you are all on the same song sheet and improves the inter-operability bit. Could you sleep then?
No because Inf lads do it in training then carry on doing it at Bn. The corps types wouldn't be as experienced in the job. But the big scary point is the NCO's. Again sorry to cause insult but i have recently worked with RLC and Signals and Alot of the Junior NCO's are noshers and i wouldn't trust them to command a Bus of window lickers. Nevermind a Saxon/Warrior full of Heavily armed in experienced troops.

Im not trying to be a cnut and before some chef/Siggy/Driver jumps on the bandwagon No i couldnt Cook for 200/Send a Shakesperian sonnet in Batco/Drive a drops. But neither will they be able to effectively Ambush an enemy, gather intelligence, recce where he came from then attack it the next morning. Maybe we dont do this all the time on these tours now but as Inf Bns we are capable from the top down of doing it. The Corps arent and never will be able to.

Ask your self whether a heavy company of signallers could have defended CIMIC house for as long as the Tiggers did???
 

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