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Climate Change: Scientists Say "Last Chance"

anglo

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But Germany has enough generation capacity, without nuclear and coal. Shed loads of wind farms, especially in the North Sea. Too bad they're not connected to those areas where the power is needed. In fact the North Sea wind farms aren't generating at all, they're even consuming power in order not to sieze up. So when the last coal and nuclear powered stations close in the not too distant future all will be well. Or so gov't sources and the media keep telling us.
What a electric grid systems to keep it stable is what is known as spinning inertia,
the conventional power plants had this due to having rotating machines,
Wind turbines and solar panel have no spinning inertia and if you tie them together
electrically they are unstable, this is just one of the disadvantages of using wind turbines,

This explains it
 
Whilst I'm never going to become some XR lunatic, I have just watched David Attenborough's latest and it's pretty shocking to see how much of the world's natural habitats we've destroyed as a species in such a short space of time. As is the point of the documentary I'd like to hope that worldwide efforts can reverse it somewhat.
Takeaway point - people need to stop producing so many people!
 

ancienturion

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Whilst I'm never going to become some XR lunatic, I have just watched David Attenborough's latest and it's pretty shocking to see how much of the world's natural habitats we've destroyed as a species in such a short space of time. As is the point of the documentary I'd like to hope that worldwide efforts can reverse it somewhat.
Takeaway point - people need to stop producing so many people!

It is a shame that XR (don't know about Attenborough then) were not playing the terrorist game when Brazilian rain forests were being uprooted some ten, twenty and thirty years ago. Still I suppose all that profit would have helped for a lot of their pensions.
 
It is a shame that XR (don't know about Attenborough then) were not playing the terrorist game when Brazilian rain forests were being uprooted some ten, twenty and thirty years ago. Still I suppose all that profit would have helped for a lot of their pensions.

Perhaps XR should think about actually doing some good by targeting those groups who are breeding like rats. Those with a negative growth rate are not the ones they should worry about, but in their little bubble it's nekulturnyy to address the actual problem.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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Whilst I'm never going to become some XR lunatic, I have just watched David Attenborough's latest and it's pretty shocking to see how much of the world's natural habitats we've destroyed as a species in such a short space of time. As is the point of the documentary I'd like to hope that worldwide efforts can reverse it somewhat.
Takeaway point - people need to stop producing so many people!

I despise the MMGW lobby for two main reasons.

Firstly, if they really believed that CO2 was a threat, they'd have pushed for nuclear twenty years ago.

Secondly, the biggest environmental threat we face, and it's been the case for years, is habitat loss/degradation and the corresponding loss of bio-diversity. This is due in large part to the massive increase in the human population and people looking for somewhere to live.

Of course, population control is the third rail for the environmental movement so it's much easier to jet to conferences in resorts like Cancun to discuss the non-problem of plant food in the atmosphere which is, by definition, unresolvable, rather than flirting with the Adolph Eichmann Award by trying to tackle a serious and demonstrable threat.

It also helps that global warming alarmism is a proven crisis mechanism for raising taxes if you're a government and for turning a shilling if you're a business.

Interestingly, Attenborough tried to make the point about population increase around twenty years ago but did so at the expense of MMGW and the greenies did a number on him (a bit like they did to Bellamy but Bellamy wouldn't recant). It seems he's learned his lesson and is now pushing the over-population message alongside MMGW.
 

Dread

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It is a shame that XR (don't know about Attenborough then) were not playing the terrorist game when Brazilian rain forests were being uprooted some ten, twenty and thirty years ago. Still I suppose all that profit would have helped for a lot of their pensions.
Were you aware that the Amazon rainforest is not a 'pristine environment'? 600 years ago the region was covered with a network of villages, temples, fortifications and fields that would have made the region utterly unrecognisable to the jungle of today. Public (and most academic) perception of the Amazon basin is of pristine (i.e. untouched) jungle with less that 2 million people hugging the Amazon and its tributaries.

Reality is that the population was more likely between 15 and 20 million people: more than live there today (3.74 million). So what happened? The Spanish and Portuguese happened: their genocidal activities and the diseases they brought with them wiped out the locals. In that part of the world, much of the jungle can grow back within 65 years, and 300 years will see it pretty much indistinguishable from 2,000 year old jungle. Unlike N. American and European forests, trees in the jungle don't live for 500 years. Amazon Jungle Once Home to Millions More Than Previously Thought
 
It may be interesting to see the global warming nutjobs and Swedish Doom Goblin explain this one:

In fact climate change in more recent times has changed the world.

In the sixth century, Scandinavian society began to crumble. The cause of this sharp decline was a huge series of volcanic eruptions, which took place in what is now El Salvador between the years 536 and 540. The volcano ejected so much ash that it changed the earth’s climate. Dust blocked out the sun, average temperatures fell and harvests failed. Northern Europe was particularly affected and in the famines and migrations that followed, Scandinavia lost around 50 per cent of its inhabitants....
So they got in their boats, and set off for other lands; Britain, Ireland, America, France, Spain, North Africa, Byzantium, Baghdad, Azerbaijan and even settling in The Ukraine.
But an even more profound change was to come. After the battle of Chartres in 911, the French king, Charles the Simple, was forced into negotiations with the invading Viking army. To appease the northerners, he granted them territory, which became known as ‘the land of the Northmen’, or Nordmannia, now known as Normandy. It was the descendants of these Vikings who, in 1066, invaded and subjugated Britain.
Looks like a great book, I just need to think of someone to buy it for for Christmas
 

ancienturion

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Were you aware that the Amazon rainforest is not a 'pristine environment'? 600 years ago the region was covered with a network of villages, temples, fortifications and fields that would have made the region utterly unrecognisable to the jungle of today. Public (and most academic) perception of the Amazon basin is of pristine (i.e. untouched) jungle with less that 2 million people hugging the Amazon and its tributaries.

Reality is that the population was more likely between 15 and 20 million people: more than live there today (3.74 million). So what happened? The Spanish and Portuguese happened: their genocidal activities and the diseases they brought with them wiped out the locals. In that part of the world, much of the jungle can grow back within 65 years, and 300 years will see it pretty much indistinguishable from 2,000 year old jungle. Unlike N. American and European forests, trees in the jungle don't live for 500 years. Amazon Jungle Once Home to Millions More Than Previously Thought

Yes.
 
From the Moscow Times, it seems that feedback loops may have been triggered which will have an ongoing effect on climate. To some extent this is not unexpected given frozen methane hydrates being released from thawing permafrost.
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Arctic Archipelago Sees October Temps 10 Degrees Hotter Than Normal - The Moscow Times
Scientists Fear Arctic Sea That Didn’t Freeze Heralds Trend
Russian Arctic Sea Fails to Freeze
New Methane Discharge Discovered in Russia's Arctic – Guardian - The Moscow Times
The Moscow Times
Perhaps XR could go over there and advise on a solution? Thought not.
 
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anglo

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Things are getting bigger,

Mirror, signal and one heck of a manoeuvre: Skilled hauliers negotiate huge 220ft rotor blades through tiny villages and narrow roads

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Not sure if this has been posted before, but I found it very interesting - Reforestation helped trigger Little Ice Age, researchers say
The TLDR is that once the Spanish and Portuguese killed everyone off the farmland turned to rainforest, this in turn was on such a large scale it took so much out of the atmosphere and triggered the little ice age.
 
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Not sure if this has been posted before, but I found it very interesting - Reforestation helped trigger Little Ice Age, researchers say
The TLDR is that once the Spanish and Portuguese killed everyone off the farmland turned to rainforest, this in turn was on such a large scale it took so much out of the atmosphere it triggered the little ice age.
Heard something on the radio along the lines that it’s dangerous to plant loads of trees to address climate change. Something to do with not only the eco system and not actually storing the carbon.

I really do wish they’d make their minds up.
 
Heard something on the radio along the lines that it’s dangerous to plant loads of trees to address climate change. Something to do with not only the eco system and not actually storing the carbon.

I really do wish they’d make their minds up.
Wasn't good to plant them in the flow country of Scotland, sucked up all the water. The damage is slowly being reversed now as its deforested. In this case it wasn't for green reasons but a nice tax dodge for pop groups and the like.
 
Heard something on the radio along the lines that it’s dangerous to plant loads of trees to address climate change. Something to do with not only the eco system and not actually storing the carbon.

I really do wish they’d make their minds up.

There is nothing wrong with planting loads of trees.

That they store carbon whilst producing oxygen is obvious. There are also lots of secondary benefits - good for animals, fruits, flood prevention, scenic beauty etc.

The problem was that we would need to cover 75% of the Earth's landmass in trees to balance out man made CO2 emissions. We are not able to restore the planet to the Carboniferous Period* (which is the source of the problem) so that's not going to happen.


* Edit: It is of course possible that the planet could revert to trees growing on any piece of land that will support them and end up covering most of the planet from the tropics to the sub-arctic regions. Not that we would be around to appreciate them. Mother Nature doesn't GAF.
 
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ancienturion

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There is nothing wrong with planting loads of trees.

That they store carbon whilst producing oxygen is obvious. There are also lots of secondary benefits - good for animals, fruits, flood prevention, scenic beauty etc.

The problem was that we would need to cover 75% of the Earth's landmass in trees to balance out man made CO2 emissions. We are not able to restore the planet to the Carboniferous Period (which is the source of the problem) so that's not going to happen.

I think the main problems there are where do they plant what sort of trees and why are buildings always built in the wrong place.
 
The real problem is you have movements that point out the issues and seldom produce real world solutions. Furthermore the solutions are tailored to what's wrong in/with the west. I'd love Greta to sail to the PRC and India and tell them off. The result could be interesting
 

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