Climate change may spark conflict between Russia and EU

#1
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/10/eu.climatechange

European governments have been told to plan for an era of conflict over energy resources, with global warming likely to trigger a dangerous contest between Russia and the west for the vast mineral riches of the Arctic.

A report from the EU's top two foreign policy officials to the 27 heads of government gathering in Brussels for a summit this week warns that "significant potential conflicts" are likely in the decades ahead as a result of "intensified competition over access to, and control over, energy resources".

The seven-page report, obtained by the Guardian, has been written by Javier Solana, the EU's foreign policy supremo, and Benita Ferrero-Waldner, the commissioner for external relations. It predicts that global warming will precipitate security issues for Europe, ranging from energy wars to mass migration, failed states and political radicalisation.
So be ready to visit Nothern Siberia soon.
 
#2
KGB_resident said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/10/eu.climatechange

European governments have been told to plan for an era of conflict over energy resources, with global warming likely to trigger a dangerous contest between Russia and the west for the vast mineral riches of the Arctic.

A report from the EU's top two foreign policy officials to the 27 heads of government gathering in Brussels for a summit this week warns that "significant potential conflicts" are likely in the decades ahead as a result of "intensified competition over access to, and control over, energy resources".

The seven-page report, obtained by the Guardian, has been written by Javier Solana, the EU's foreign policy supremo, and Benita Ferrero-Waldner, the commissioner for external relations. It predicts that global warming will precipitate security issues for Europe, ranging from energy wars to mass migration, failed states and political radicalisation.
So be ready to visit Nothern Siberia soon.
I know that Mr Bliar went to George's aid over some flimsy int on Iraq, but I'd like to think that it'd take more than seven pages to pick a scrap with the Ruskies. Besides, our next 10 years worth of defence budget has been blown on dessert kit, don't think there's much arctic warfare stuff left in stock. So, that means that we'd have to spend several long months in the arctic ciircle doing star jumps in dezzy combats just to keep warm.. :D
 
#4
Morning Sergey
To be honest I don't think Russia is in a fit state for a war.
I know that The UK and any proposed Euro Army definitely is not.
Lets all just stick to protecting our own boarders and let these silly politicians get on with their Political Clap trap.
john
 
#5
Sergey, China's claims on Russia East of the Urals are as justifiable (in Chinese eyes) as their claim to Tibet. If it paid tribute in the Ming Dynasty, which thanks to the legacy of Genghis and his sons, a lot of areas did, then its part of 'Greater China'.

I've been right up to the Siberian border on the Chinese side and noticed the odd six lane highway the Chinese have built and fully maintain, all pointing North and all stopping three miles from the border.

mmmmm I thought, ominous they have hardly built those for millions of Siberian tourists.....
 
#6
While I agree with the general premise re the potential for there being resource wars at some point, I suspect Russia is one of the lower threats. Those with the resources are unlikely to be the agressor, and russia has plenty and will continue to do so. They are likey to run out of most key resources long after many other countries.

If wars are ignited for the reason of resources then history suggests they are more likely to be those who don't have access or small countries with long running disputes with neighbours that will kick them off.
 
#8
KGB_resident said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/10/eu.climatechange

era of conflict over energy resources, a dangerous contest between Russia and the west for the vast mineral riches of the Arctic.
"intensified competition over access to, and control over, energy resources".
So be ready to visit Nothern Siberia soon.
play the game now. http://www.frontlines.com/
 
#9
Given the parsimony of the MoD/government then I expect it would be like the '50's in Norway when on exercise when we went ashore in BD's, gaiters and studded Ammo Boots!
 
#10
As mentioned seems unlikely that Russia will spark stuff off as they have lots of oil and gas. More likely to be wars in the third world imo. Over-population sparking lots of ethnic/religious trouble and outside countries joining in to secure the resources they need while pretending to be about "bringing stability".

If it was me, defence planning would be based on that.
 
#11
armchair_jihad said:
Sergey, China's claims on Russia East of the Urals are as justifiable (in Chinese eyes) as their claim to Tibet. If it paid tribute in the Ming Dynasty, which thanks to the legacy of Genghis and his sons, a lot of areas did, then its part of 'Greater China'.

I've been right up to the Siberian border on the Chinese side and noticed the odd six lane highway the Chinese have built and fully maintain, all pointing North and all stopping three miles from the border.

mmmmm I thought, ominous they have hardly built those for millions of Siberian tourists.....
Any clues where we should look on Google Earth? Don't doubt you, and I'd love to see it.
 
#12
armchair_jihad said:
Sergey, China's claims on Russia East of the Urals are as justifiable (in Chinese eyes) as their claim to Tibet. If it paid tribute in the Ming Dynasty, which thanks to the legacy of Genghis and his sons, a lot of areas did, then its part of 'Greater China'.
Both China and Russia were captured by the Mongolians. So strictly speaking namely Mongolia has historical rights to rule Russia and China as well.

And of course Alaska is a natural part of Greater Mongolia. Mongolia could claim that Alaska was unlawfully sold by Mongolian colony Russia to the USA.
 
#13
KGB_resident said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/10/eu.climatechange

European governments have been told to plan for an era of conflict over energy resources, with global warming likely to trigger a dangerous contest between Russia and the west for the vast mineral riches of the Arctic.

A report from the EU's top two foreign policy officials to the 27 heads of government gathering in Brussels for a summit this week warns that "significant potential conflicts" are likely in the decades ahead as a result of "intensified competition over access to, and control over, energy resources".

The seven-page report, obtained by the Guardian, has been written by Javier Solana, the EU's foreign policy supremo, and Benita Ferrero-Waldner, the commissioner for external relations. It predicts that global warming will precipitate security issues for Europe, ranging from energy wars to mass migration, failed states and political radicalisation.
So be ready to visit Nothern Siberia soon.
Is there much sand there?
 
#14
heard_it_all_before said:
I know that Mr Bliar went to George's aid over some flimsy int on Iraq, but I'd like to think that it'd take more than seven pages to pick a scrap with the Ruskies. Besides, our next 10 years worth of defence budget has been blown on dessert kit, don't think there's much arctic warfare stuff left in stock. So, that means that we'd have to spend several long months in the arctic ciircle doing star jumps in dezzy combats just to keep warm.. :D
Trifling sums? Only works on Sundaes? I'm dis-custard!
 
#15
BiscuitsAB said:
KGB_resident said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/10/eu.climatechange

European governments have been told to plan for an era of conflict over energy resources, with global warming likely to trigger a dangerous contest between Russia and the west for the vast mineral riches of the Arctic.

A report from the EU's top two foreign policy officials to the 27 heads of government gathering in Brussels for a summit this week warns that "significant potential conflicts" are likely in the decades ahead as a result of "intensified competition over access to, and control over, energy resources".

The seven-page report, obtained by the Guardian, has been written by Javier Solana, the EU's foreign policy supremo, and Benita Ferrero-Waldner, the commissioner for external relations. It predicts that global warming will precipitate security issues for Europe, ranging from energy wars to mass migration, failed states and political radicalisation.
So be ready to visit Nothern Siberia soon.
Is there much sand there?
Many times I visited NW Siberia. In the city of Nizhnevartovsk (a centre of huge oil and gas fields) I learned what temperature -55C means. As a rule summer here is short and rainy. Snow in June is not something special and some years heaps of snow survive until new snowfalll.

But once, there was +35C in the same city. Walking along sandy field I had a feeling that I'm in the desert.
 
#16
KGB_resident said:
BiscuitsAB said:
KGB_resident said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/10/eu.climatechange

European governments have been told to plan for an era of conflict over energy resources, with global warming likely to trigger a dangerous contest between Russia and the west for the vast mineral riches of the Arctic.

A report from the EU's top two foreign policy officials to the 27 heads of government gathering in Brussels for a summit this week warns that "significant potential conflicts" are likely in the decades ahead as a result of "intensified competition over access to, and control over, energy resources".

The seven-page report, obtained by the Guardian, has been written by Javier Solana, the EU's foreign policy supremo, and Benita Ferrero-Waldner, the commissioner for external relations. It predicts that global warming will precipitate security issues for Europe, ranging from energy wars to mass migration, failed states and political radicalisation.
So be ready to visit Nothern Siberia soon.
Is there much sand there?
Many times I visited NW Siberia. In the city of Nizhnevartovsk (a centre of huge oil and gas fields) I learned what temperature -55C means. As a rule summer here is short and rainy. Snow in June is not something special and some years heaps of snow survive until new snowfalll.

But once, there was +35C in the same city. Walking along sandy field I had a feeling that I'm in the desert.

ARRSE thought there might be a chance of a scrap with no sand for a change.
 
#18
armchair_jihad said:
Sergey, China's claims on Russia East of the Urals are as justifiable (in Chinese eyes) as their claim to Tibet. If it paid tribute in the Ming Dynasty, which thanks to the legacy of Genghis and his sons, a lot of areas did, then its part of 'Greater China'.

.....
Chinese should tread carefully on this, Russia can put a compensation claim for 200 years of pillage. :)
 
#19
Domovoy said:
armchair_jihad said:
Sergey, China's claims on Russia East of the Urals are as justifiable (in Chinese eyes) as their claim to Tibet. If it paid tribute in the Ming Dynasty, which thanks to the legacy of Genghis and his sons, a lot of areas did, then its part of 'Greater China'.

.....
Chinese should tread carefully on this, Russia can put a compensation claim for 200 years of pillage. :)
Don't go digging out the Argos catalogue just yet. You'd probably just be hit by similar claims from Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Turkmen, etc., ad nauseam.

Not to mention the Chinese themselves. A falling leaf returns to its roots.

In any case, Genghis wasn't Chinese. I don't imagine Mongolia will be able to fund your national taste for German cars and tacky jewellery.
 
#20
smartascarrots said:
Domovoy said:
armchair_jihad said:
Sergey, China's claims on Russia East of the Urals are as justifiable (in Chinese eyes) as their claim to Tibet. If it paid tribute in the Ming Dynasty, which thanks to the legacy of Genghis and his sons, a lot of areas did, then its part of 'Greater China'.

.....
Chinese should tread carefully on this, Russia can put a compensation claim for 200 years of pillage. :)
Don't go digging out the Argos catalogue just yet. You'd probably just be hit by similar claims from Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Turkmen, etc., ad nauseam.


In any case, Genghis wasn't Chinese. I don't imagine Mongolia will be able to fund your national taste for German cars and tacky jewellery.
Now, that you mentioned... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbeks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajiks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmen_people
:D
Just imagine how much tacky jewellery that amount of compensation can buy!
 

Similar threads

Latest Threads