Cleric compares Blair to Hitler

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A Muslim cleric says there are "similarities" between new powers to tackle Islamist extremism and Hitler's demonisation of the Jews.

Tony Blair wants measures to exclude foreigners who preach hate and to close places where terrorism is condoned.

Dr Mohammed Naseem, chairman of the Birmingham Central Mosque, said: "I see the similarities...I am saying these are dangerous times."

Last week Dr Naseem questioned whether Muslims were behind the London bombs.

He made the comments after terror suspect Yasin Hassan Omar was arrested in the Small Heath area of the city in connection with 21 July attempted bombings.

Birmingham MP Khalid Mahmood called for Dr Naseem to resign after the comments, insisting the cleric had brought his role into disrepute but the chairman retaliated by saying 4,000 worshippers had voted for him to stay.

However, following the anti-terrorism proposals unveiled on Friday Dr Naseem told the BBC's Radio 4 Today programme that he saw "similarities" between Mr Blair's approach to Britain's Muslim community and Hitler's demonisation of Jews early in his time as German Chancellor.
Read the rest at the BBC story

I'm not the biggest fan of some of Blair's decisions, but comparing him to Hitler is a bit over the top. Blair and his cabinet have done everything possible to say that only a tiny fraction of muslims support terrorism.

However, what I find most interesting about this story is:
Last week Dr Naseem questioned whether Muslims were behind the London bombs.
Birmingham MP Khalid Mahmood called for Dr Naseem to resign after the comments.... but the chairman retaliated by saying 4,000 worshippers had voted for him to stay
The support for that statement certainly reads like a massive case of denial on behalf of those 4000 people.
(I don't know the full background to the situation - maybe he is popular for other reasons and so they are willing to ignore the statement?)

Anyway, seeing as Dr Naseem has invoked Godwin's law, perhaps a further comparison between them and the holocaust deniers is appropriate?
 
#3
It's only a matter of time Dr. Naseem. Please keep talking.
 
#4
PluckyBrit said:
However, what I find most interesting about this story is:
Last week Dr Naseem questioned whether Muslims were behind the London bombs.
Birmingham MP Khalid Mahmood called for Dr Naseem to resign after the comments.... but the chairman retaliated by saying 4,000 worshippers had voted for him to stay
The support for that statement certainly reads like a massive case of denial on behalf of those 4000 people.
(I don't know the full background to the situation - maybe he is popular for other reasons and so they are willing to ignore the statement?)
There are probably a number of reasons of why many Muslims supported Dr Naseem. However it has to be said that many Muslims just do not like the MP Khalid Mahmood for numerous reasons.

So I think many of the votes of support were intended to be more of a slap in the face for Mahmood, than any real support for Dr Naseem.

Naseem is just a rather embarrassing buffoon, I wouldn't put him the league of zealots of such as Bakri and Butt but I think it's time that the Trustees of Birmingham central mosque quietly retired the guy for the sake of Muslims throughout the UK.
 

Birdy

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The thing is though when are the people of this country going to stop moaning about it and actually start doing something about it !?
We have people living in this country teaching hate about us 8O Yet if they were preaching in the street the majority of people would walk past them and not do a thing.I've had enough of it stop moaning about it and do something about it!
 
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However it has to be said that many Muslims just do not like the MP Khalid Mahmood for numerous reasons.
Not least because of serious allegations about him , and/or his relatives in the past.
 
#7
They are nothing like each other Hitler had a moustache for a start
 
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PartTimePongo said:
However it has to be said that many Muslims just do not like the MP Khalid Mahmood for numerous reasons.
Not least because of serious allegations about him , and/or his relatives in the past.
It should be said that Mr Mahmood was found not to be PERSONALLY involved in the activities, concerning the allegations and prosecutions over electoral fraud. Other allegations about the conduct of associates close to Mr Mahmood and Mr Mahmood himself are of course untrue and are the work of extremists, out to destroy the good name of Mr Mahmood and other members of the Labour party, who have done so much for the peoples of Birmingham.

On a personal note I think it is completely possible for 20 people to live in a derlict house - it just takes good scheduling and excellent management.

I for one can not wait until he becomes a junior minister in the governemnt! :p
 
#9
PluckyBrit's comments strike a chord.

Blair and his cabinet have done everything possible to say that only a tiny fraction of muslims support terrorism.
Whether that is true or not. Blair has no way of knowing, he just hopes so.

Birmingham MP Khalid Mahmood called for Dr Naseem to resign after the comments.... but the chairman retaliated by saying 4,000 worshippers had voted for him to stay
The amount of rubbish from apologists suggests spiritual support is strong. 'Doctor' (is that a first name for Muslims?) Naseem and his flock
are just the sort of irrational fools who cause hitherto tolerant, accommodating and patient people to consider our spiritual home in 1920’s Munich.
 
#11
You're well informed on matters in Talibanistan Minor Castlereagh. But the allegations I was referring to , are the other ones ;)

Electoral fraud? Surely not, whoever heard of such a thing :)
 
#12
This is more like it muslim bitching about muslim ,seeing who can out islam the other.
 
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When you ask if I read the other posts, do you mean this bit castlereagh?

So I think many of the votes of support were intended to be more of a slap in the face for Mahmood, than any real support for Dr Naseem.
You think, know or hope? Like Blair and his 'decent majority', you don't know.

Doctor Naseem may well be a medical doctor (and a cleric). He does not appear to have the intelligence required of the former. It is not just suicide bombers who are inviting hatred of their communities, religion and 'race'.
 
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Seadog said:
When you ask if I read the other posts, do you mean this bit castlereagh?

So I think many of the votes of support were intended to be more of a slap in the face for Mahmood, than any real support for Dr Naseem.
You think, know or hope? Like Blair and his 'decent majority', you don't know.

Doctor Naseem may well be a medical doctor (and a cleric). He does not appear to have the intelligence required of the former. It is not just suicide bombers who are inviting hatred of their communities, religion and 'race'.
No one can ever be 100% sure about anything. Just as you can't be 100% sure either about the motivations of Naseem's 'supporters'. However I can based on information that I have garnered through personal contacts, the media and other mediums make a personal assumption on the motivations of 'Naseem's Supporters' - Therefore the use of the phrase 'I think'.
What's your assumption based on?

Deconstructionism and Relativism - who thought that would ever happen on Arrse ?
 
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Castlereagh, you assume I know which assumption you refer to.

1. Doctor Naseem is a fool?

A Muslim cleric says there are "similarities" between new powers to tackle Islamist extremism and Hitler's demonisation of the Jews.

Tony Blair wants measures to exclude foreigners who preach hate and to close places where terrorism is condoned.

Dr Mohammed Naseem, chairman of the Birmingham Central Mosque, said: "I see the similarities...I am saying these are dangerous times."

Last week Dr Naseem questioned whether Muslims were behind the London bombs.
2. His flock do themselves no favours?

A Muslim cleric says there are "similarities" between new powers to tackle Islamist extremism and Hitler's demonisation of the Jews.

Tony Blair wants measures to exclude foreigners who preach hate and to close places where terrorism is condoned.

Dr Mohammed Naseem, chairman of the Birmingham Central Mosque, said: "I see the similarities...I am saying these are dangerous times."

Last week Dr Naseem questioned whether Muslims were behind the London bombs.
but the chairman retaliated by saying 4,000 worshippers had voted for him to stay.
Unless the press have misrepresented him and his flock (and that is possible) there is enough evidence there for a conclusion, not just an assumption. He is however correct in saying that "these are dangerous times".
 
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In my opinion the only way to stop all the people who are moaning about this being an attack on civil liberties and such like is to prove it is not just aimed at Islamic hate preachers. Not only use it to get them, but use it on people like Nick Griffin and his bunch of cronies in the National Front. oooops sorry I meant the BNP

This way nobody can say it is a race thing and we are proving ourselves not to be against people of 'real' Muslim faith (I use the term real to mean the ones who follow the quaran and don't believe in murder) and not rascists but we also get rid of the BNP in the process.
 
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jest265 said:
In my opinion the only way to stop all the people who are moaning about this being an attack on civil liberties and such like is to prove it is not just aimed at Islamic hate preachers. Not only use it to get them, but use it on people like Nick Griffin and his bunch of cronies in the National Front. oooops sorry I meant the BNP

This way nobody can say it is a race thing and we are proving ourselves not to be against people of 'real' Muslim faith (I use the term real to mean the ones who follow the quaran and don't believe in murder) and not rascists but we also get rid of the BNP in the process.
I see, muslim terrorists kill 52 wound 700 with bombs, then more muslims try more bombs and you think the police should go after the BNP :roll:

Which race is a muslim then ?
 
#18
armourer said:
jest265 said:
In my opinion the only way to stop all the people who are moaning about this being an attack on civil liberties and such like is to prove it is not just aimed at Islamic hate preachers. Not only use it to get them, but use it on people like Nick Griffin and his bunch of cronies in the National Front. oooops sorry I meant the BNP

This way nobody can say it is a race thing and we are proving ourselves not to be against people of 'real' Muslim faith (I use the term real to mean the ones who follow the quaran and don't believe in murder) and not rascists but we also get rid of the BNP in the process.
I see, muslim terrorists kill 52 wound 700 with bombs, then more muslims try more bombs and you think the police should go after the BNP :roll:

Which race is a muslim then ?
I think the point is if you go after one then you have to go after them all, anything else would be wrong. Anyway this whole policy is bliars knee jerk reaction to a problem he created. If we had tighter immigration policies in the first place then we wouldnt be in the situation where we have stark raving nutjobs in this country preaching at people to blow it up.
 
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Blair is nothing like Hitler. Hitler was an ex-serviceman, decorated for bravery. He also ran a country with low crime statistics, a functioning public transport system and efficient schools. The fact he was a war mongering ee-jit, mad as a bag of badgers, is obviously not an issue; after all that hasn't disbarred Tone?
 
#20
Obtuse arguments are not fun

Seadog said:
Castlereagh, you assume I know which assumption you refer to.

1. Doctor Naseem is a fool?

A Muslim cleric says there are "similarities" between new powers to tackle Islamist extremism and Hitler's demonisation of the Jews.

Tony Blair wants measures to exclude foreigners who preach hate and to close places where terrorism is condoned.

Dr Mohammed Naseem, chairman of the Birmingham Central Mosque, said: "I see the similarities...I am saying these are dangerous times."

Last week Dr Naseem questioned whether Muslims were behind the London bombs.
As I said Dr Naseem is an 'embarrassing buffoon' in my opinion, his comparison of Blair with Hitler is ignorant and wrong. Do I believe that Blair with his proposals is out to demonise Muslims and Islam as Hitler did with the Jews as Dr Naseem suggests? Absolutely not!
Naseem is now claiming (listen to interview in the link) that he only wanted to see the evidence that Al Qaeda was behind the bombings.

I also said that I think Dr Naseem should be retired as he is not doing the Muslim population the UK any favours.


2. His flock do themselves no favours?
Not all the people who 'voted' for Naseem agree with the man. Many as I have said were motivated I believe out of enmity for his opponent Khalid Mahmood. One organisation even organised a campaign of support in favour of Naseem partly based out of their dislike of Mahmood.

Unless the press have misrepresented him and his flock (and that is possible) there is enough evidence there for a conclusion, not just an assumption.
Then using your logic one could equally say that there is a reasoned argument to conclude that Blair is right to say that: ‘only a tiny minority of Muslims in the UK support terrorism’.
 

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