Clarkson , Sunday Times today

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  1. He hit it right on the head and if conditions don't improve the situation will rectify itself. There will be no soldiers to go!
     
  2. He hit it right on the head? Have you been to Camp Bastion then? It's nowhere near as bad as JC makes out. If anyone believes it is then i guess they never left Bastion to see the real shitholes.
     
  3. No I haven't however I can well envisage what it is like having served through the ranks for 30 years. The point he seemed to be making was that you will never recruit retain and keep an army motivated over a decade of expeditionary type warfare if you are not prepared to look after your troops better. It is clear that this war is being run on a budget to the detriment to those who are in it. Suggest you read this link

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0712.tilghman.html which I think just about sums up the problem for us as well.
     
  4. I'd go with Skynet on this one Fallschirmjager.

    He isn't trying to make out the lads at Bastian have it worse, just putting forward HIS OWN experience. As he points out, he never left Bastian so he can't describe anywhere else.
     
  5. No, but JC is trying to make out Camp Bastion is something it is not. It's an R&R centre for those on the front line. It has good food, heated/air conditioned tents, running water and showers, a big naafi, internet, an excellent gym and is totally safe from anything except cruise missiles! Of course JC's experience will be hard as he's a millionarre who lives a life of luxury on a daily basis! For us troops Bastion is fine. Nobody can whinge about conditions there except whingers.
     
  6. Oh, cmon mate, give the guy a break. There's some excellent black humour in there. Made me laugh anyway. Clarkson's about the only journo who comes close to understanding squaddie humour - and probably strikes the right cord in getting the mesage across as far as the average civvy is concerned.
     
  7. the point he's making (and doing it well) is that JP often forget about the less 'glamorous' capbadges who work equally hard to keep the F Echs doing their thing...

    ...even on the excellent panorama doc t'other day it was the royal welsh (or whomever they are now) who were credited with running the resupply ops in Basrah. Sure, they were doing the FP, Escorts & C2 (in WR/CR2) but no mention of REMEs/RLC etc who were daily running the gauntlet in B Vehs

    ...This is not a p!ssing contest, nor meant to denigrate the excellent efforts of those at the front....i think just a short dit saying remember all of those deployed this xmas (even the RAF)....not just the ones you're seeing in action on nightly news / tv docs etc
     
  8. The big challenge to the UK as I see it is this:

    How do we maintain a volunteer Army, on a very low budget in what is effectively permanent war fighting / deployments of varying intensity? My answer is that I do not know. I haven't got a clue. But I can not think of any other western, democratic nation that has ever tried it for any extended period. Vietnam was very rough. But the conscripts did one tour. Of the 12 months they tried to give the guys six months in an HQ / admin role where possible. But that was it. Our guys are backwards and forwards.
     
  9. Can it be made better? Will you be still happy with it when you are on your 4th tour there? It reminds me of the situation in Belfast in late 69/70 if it hadn't been for the press we would have still been living in double decker buses! Rather an exaggeration however if you don't keep pushing for improvements the political class will let you live in the conditions you are prepared to put up with. Did you read the link? We must improve the lot of the troops or we may not have the talent we need to field a professional army which can do the business. Watch the trend and innovate to keep the standards up and if that means better conditions so be it.
     
  10. The big challenge to the UK as I see it is this:

    How can we maintain a volunteer army when the youth of today are mostly fannies who don't like the idea of hard work?
     
  11. Fally, that is extremely well put, sir. Some of the youngsters I know have asked me about my time in and have said "all that time working for that kind of money, you must be mad"
    I personally know of one youngster who is considering joining and his mates just laugh at him for it.
     
  12. Raise the upper age limit so older ex-squaddies that are still capable of doing the job can rejoin.
     
  13. JC is absolutely awesome!!! This guy should get a KBE for his services to the military.

    A serious piece written light heartedly, making fun out of what others would think of hell on earth.............isn't that what we do?