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Clara Amfo praised for emotional anti-racism speech on Radio 1

Going by the tone of the school's letter I will make a prediction about their view on your letter

As @BuckFelize observed

'Mr Dingerr spelled 'alter' wrong. Therefore he is a typical, ignorant white man and unworthy of being taken seriously.'

I think they'd be surprised if you didn't have a white van.

@Ortholith What's your take on it? - the school letter, not the speelong mishtake.
 
@Ortholith What's your take on it? - the school letter, not the speelong mishtake.
What school letter? I haven't read the thread (looked at the title and decided to ignore it as wank) and I'm not keen on hunting back through 14 pages of posts.
 
What school letter? I haven't read the thread (looked at the title and decided to ignore it as ****) and I'm not keen on hunting back through 14 pages of posts.

Dingerr's post:

Here’s a lovely email my son received from school today:

Hello everyone!

Hope you had a lovely half term and your quizzes have gone well so far- the end is in sight. The focus of today’s bulletin is something that we would have already been spending much of the week talking about if we were in school like normal and that is the death of George Floyd and its implications.

As I’m sure you’ll have heard, George Floyd was an unarmed black man, a peace activist and respected community leader, detained by white police and subsequently died at their hands, murdered by Officer Derek Chauvin. This has sparked protests across the US and in areas of the UK and celebrities have tried to raise awareness through Blackout Tuesday across social media. Now, this is not a new issue- I can even remember talking to some of you guys about this in a Y8 RE lesson and playing you ‘White Privilege II’ by Macklemore and Ryan Lewis. What I would like us all to think about today is the role that each of us plays in ending the need for such action.

1. For those among us who are white, check your privilege. Be aware that you have been born into a situation of privilege. You do not need to be scared if the police arrest you. You do not assume that when you don’t get a job it is because of your skin colour. If you are unsure of what privilege means or how it might affect things, then check out this powerful video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K5fbQ1-zps

2. Educate yourselves. Make yourself aware of what others are going through but also educate yourself about different cultures and ways of living.

3. Challenge racism. It is not enough to not be racist we must be anti-racist. This means refusing to accept or tolerate when those around us act in a racist way.

4. Advocate for those who have less of a voice. Your race may have given you a voice that is more likely to be heard than someone else’s. You need to speak out and claim justice for those who cannot.

5. Continue to reflect and progress. This is not an issue that is going to be over in 2020 and it is important that we make a conscious effort to continue to improve ourselves to help. Personally, I am going to buy Francesca more books featuring diversity so that she understands and accepts as she grows up.


Time for reflection

Here is an article about the experience of African-Americans when it comes to law and order in the US. How does this make you feel? Does it inspire you to want to make a change?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52877678
 
Dingerr's post:

Here’s a lovely email my son received from school today:

Hello everyone!

Hope you had a lovely half term and your quizzes have gone well so far- the end is in sight. The focus of today’s bulletin is something that we would have already been spending much of the week talking about if we were in school like normal and that is the death of George Floyd and its implications.

As I’m sure you’ll have heard, George Floyd was an unarmed black man, a peace activist and respected community leader, detained by white police and subsequently died at their hands, murdered by Officer Derek Chauvin. This has sparked protests across the US and in areas of the UK and celebrities have tried to raise awareness through Blackout Tuesday across social media. Now, this is not a new issue- I can even remember talking to some of you guys about this in a Y8 RE lesson and playing you ‘White Privilege II’ by Macklemore and Ryan Lewis. What I would like us all to think about today is the role that each of us plays in ending the need for such action.

1. For those among us who are white, check your privilege. Be aware that you have been born into a situation of privilege. You do not need to be scared if the police arrest you. You do not assume that when you don’t get a job it is because of your skin colour. If you are unsure of what privilege means or how it might affect things, then check out this powerful video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K5fbQ1-zps

2. Educate yourselves. Make yourself aware of what others are going through but also educate yourself about different cultures and ways of living.

3. Challenge racism. It is not enough to not be racist we must be anti-racist. This means refusing to accept or tolerate when those around us act in a racist way.

4. Advocate for those who have less of a voice. Your race may have given you a voice that is more likely to be heard than someone else’s. You need to speak out and claim justice for those who cannot.

5. Continue to reflect and progress. This is not an issue that is going to be over in 2020 and it is important that we make a conscious effort to continue to improve ourselves to help. Personally, I am going to buy Francesca more books featuring diversity so that she understands and accepts as she grows up.


Time for reflection

Here is an article about the experience of African-Americans when it comes to law and order in the US. How does this make you feel? Does it inspire you to want to make a change?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52877678


Where did the Peace Activist bit come from?
 
Good fucking question.
 
Where did the Peace Activist bit come from?
No idea - history is being hastly re-written. Maybe he had a Damascene moment during one of his previous aggravated burglaries-when confronted by bigger chaps than he, with bigger weapons.
Teacher also appears to have skipped several stages of legal process and declared he was murdered.
 
Dingerr's post:

Here’s a lovely email my son received from school today:

Hello everyone!

Hope you had a lovely half term and your quizzes have gone well so far- the end is in sight. The focus of today’s bulletin is something that we would have already been spending much of the week talking about if we were in school like normal and that is the death of George Floyd and its implications.

As I’m sure you’ll have heard, George Floyd was an unarmed black man, a peace activist and respected community leader, detained by white police and subsequently died at their hands, murdered by Officer Derek Chauvin. This has sparked protests across the US and in areas of the UK and celebrities have tried to raise awareness through Blackout Tuesday across social media. Now, this is not a new issue- I can even remember talking to some of you guys about this in a Y8 RE lesson and playing you ‘White Privilege II’ by Macklemore and Ryan Lewis. What I would like us all to think about today is the role that each of us plays in ending the need for such action.

1. For those among us who are white, check your privilege. Be aware that you have been born into a situation of privilege. You do not need to be scared if the police arrest you. You do not assume that when you don’t get a job it is because of your skin colour. If you are unsure of what privilege means or how it might affect things, then check out this powerful video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K5fbQ1-zps

2. Educate yourselves. Make yourself aware of what others are going through but also educate yourself about different cultures and ways of living.

3. Challenge racism. It is not enough to not be racist we must be anti-racist. This means refusing to accept or tolerate when those around us act in a racist way.

4. Advocate for those who have less of a voice. Your race may have given you a voice that is more likely to be heard than someone else’s. You need to speak out and claim justice for those who cannot.

5. Continue to reflect and progress. This is not an issue that is going to be over in 2020 and it is important that we make a conscious effort to continue to improve ourselves to help. Personally, I am going to buy Francesca more books featuring diversity so that she understands and accepts as she grows up.


Time for reflection

Here is an article about the experience of African-Americans when it comes to law and order in the US. How does this make you feel? Does it inspire you to want to make a change?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52877678
Oh for fucks sake. Maybe Le_addeur_noir and co are right and I really am a communist indoctrinating children. It makes about as much sense as that letter.

Using the George Floyd incident as a starting point for a 'what happened in the world this week' activity or 'we shouldn't be racist to people' assembly is fine. That letter is absolute fucking bollocks from top to bottom. It makes the NEU being asked about PPE look like sensible, well balanced individuals.

Points 2 and 3 are reasonable, the rest is weapons-grade bellendery.

I assume dingerr responded in his normal, non-confrontational way?

Edit - just checked, what was sent out to my mob this morning consisted of: how would you define genius?, mindful breathing, a quote of the week, a positive wordsearch and a random fact. That was put together by our most lefty sandal wearing teacher who I've spotted with various lefty stickers / badges on her bag. Fuck knows what's happening at dingerr's lads school.
 
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Oh for fucks sake. Maybe Le_addeur_noir and co are right and I really am a communist indoctrinating children. It makes about as much sense as that letter.

Using the George Floyd incident as a starting point for a 'what happened in the world this week' activity or 'we shouldn't be racist to people' assembly is fine. That letter is absolute ******* bollocks from top to bottom. It makes the NEU being asked about PPE look like sensible, well balanced individuals.

Points 2 and 3 are reasonable, the rest is weapons-grade bellendery.

I assume dingerr responded in his normal, non-confrontational way?

Edit - just checked, what was sent out to my mob this morning consisted of: how would you define genius?, mindful breathing, a quote of the week, a positive wordsearch and a random fact. That was put together by our most lefty sandal wearing teacher who I've spotted with various lefty stickers / badges on her bag. **** knows what's happening at dingerr's lads school.


I'm guessing the staff room at Dingerr's kids' school has a staff room with high proportion of 'wimmin' called 'Roz', a healthy knowledge of red / blue hair dye tints and pixie haircuts.
 
She 'should' lose her job. Unfortunately, the education system is awash with this shit, hence... current events.
 
I'm guessing the staff room at Dingerr's kids' school has a staff room with high proportion of 'wimmin' called 'Roz', a healthy knowledge of red / blue hair dye tints and pixie haircuts.
I don't really care if it is.

What really fucks me off about this is the common perception that all teachers are dribbling socialist mongs who couldn't fill in a job application for a private sector job yet are simultaneously clever enough to indoctrinate children into a whole worldview of thinking.

If I could indoctrinate kids I can guarantee they would leave 5 years later knowing some basic physics equations, how to rearrange an equation, what a conical flask is and what happens in photosynthesis. Since I have failed miserably over the last 2 and a bit months to get some 15 year olds to manage to add 1 + 1 using a calculator I think we can conclude I'm not going to be instigating the dictatorship of the proletariat any time soon.

Then some fucking mong sends out a letter like that and the perception of 'teacher = lefty mong" gets reset. Fuckers.
 
She 'should' lose her job. Unfortunately, the education system is awash with this shit, hence... current events.
Evidence? How many schools have you been into and noted this? How many universities?
 
To be fair - I don't really see it as a 'common perception'. Hence asking your opinion - (I was not exactly expecting full agreement with the sentiments of the letter- from you).

I gather different schools operate in different ways but - would such a letter need clearance from higher authority before being sent out via email? Or can any member of staff manifest their own opinions in outward communications on a whim?
 
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An excellent reply, factual and objective but refusing to rise to emotional hysteria. Without saying too much, is the person who sent that email a teacher of your son in a particular class (RS, Philosophy etc.) or in a general role (Head of Year, tutor etc.)?
 
I lived in Cambridge for many years and worked with graduates for long enough to know the score, plus two teachers in the family - one current. Both clued up to the agenda.
 
To be fair - I don't really see it as a 'common perception'. Hence asking your opinion - (I was not exactly expecting full agreement with the sentiments of the letter- from you).

I gather different schools operate in different ways but - would such a letter need clearance from higher authority before being sent out via email? Or can any member of staff manifest their own opinions in outward communications on a whim?
Depends, hence why I asked dingerr who had sent it.

If I wanted to I could send a similar thing to any students I teach directly, maybe 3 classes per year group on average so 90ish kids.

A Head of Year or Head of Department could send a similar thing to an entire year group, approx. 300 kids.

It would take the Headmaster to send something to every student, around 1,200 kids (and if someone found a way to do so without approval they would be in for a shouty interview sans coffee very quickly).
 
Depends, hence why I asked dingerr who had sent it.

If I wanted to I could send a similar thing to any students I teach directly, maybe 3 classes per year group on average so 90ish kids.

A Head of Year or Head of Department could send a similar thing to an entire year group, approx. 300 kids.

It would take the Headmaster to send something to every student, around 1,200 kids (and if someone found a way to do so without approval they would be in for a shouty interview sans coffee very quickly).

Hmmm...such a policy would at least require confidence all staff to be 'singing off the same hymn sheet' would it not? Lest a different teacher sends out something slightly contradictory at a later point - 'All lives matter' as opposed to BLM for example.

There was a furore in a northern school couple of years ago, after pupils were given handouts essentially promoting homosexuality / trans issues. A group of parents from a certain demograph objected to this quite robustly. It lead to lots of navel-gazing as the parents involved were also of sacred minority status.
 
Hmmm...such a policy would at least require confidence all staff to be 'singing off the same hymn sheet' would it not? Lest a different teacher sends out something slightly contradictory at a later point - 'All lives matter' as opposed to BLM for example.
Yes and no.

Yes, we are expected to not be mongs. This is apparently different to other establishments :rolleyes: Messages home should be brief, factual, about the work set and sent in normal working hours.

We are not expected to send long rambling missives about social issues. Nothing should be contradictory as statements on policy are sent out by the grownups and individual teachers should restrict themselves to doing their fucking jobs.

That's not saying there isn't dissent, it's just kept in internal emails and meetings. For some reason it's considered better to have people send slightly rude emails to colleagues than to post bollocks outside the secure system for everyone to see.

There was a furore in a northern school couple of years ago, after pupils were given handouts essentially promoting homosexuality / trans issues. A group of parents from a certain demograph objected to this quite robustly. It lead to lots of navel-gazing as the parents involved were also of sacred minority status.
You're referring to the 'teaching children to be gay' issue? It had its own thread on here a while back and I can't be arsed to repeat everything I wrote in that - https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/panorama-tonight-the-teaching-of-lgbt-in-schools.293982/
 
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And here’s my response:

Dear Mrs xxxxxx,

I write in reply to your email and am disgusted at your virtue signalling within it.

How dare you tell me that I should be ashamed for the colour of my skin, how dare you imply that because I am white I am a casual racist.

I was born to hard working parents who taught me the values of hard work and accepting people for who they are and how they conducted themselves, not the colour of their skin, their gender, their nationality, religion or sexual persuasion. I carried this ethic into the British Army for which I served twenty seven years, during which I was very seriously injured and saw many friends die. None of this is privileged, it’s hard won and your comments diminish not only my life, but many others, this also affects my children, one of whom you are supposed to educate and help grow into a decent human being. I feel your email fails greatly in this respect, you should be beyond bandwagon jumping to help young people see through the fog.

You also mislead in you email. George Floyd was not a peaceful person, in 2009 he was convicted of assault and armed robbery after a home invasion where he jabbed a firearm into a pregnant woman’s stomach, who was also struck in the head and sides by Floyd. Before this he was convicted of a number of charges of armed robbery and drug possession. He was known as a violent offender to the police and on the day of his death had been reported for an offence that the police had to attend. I’m not an expert on police procedure, but I suspect dealing with a violent, gun possessing criminal takes a degree of control of the situation and whilst I don’t condone his death, there is more to this than him being the martyr you and others have made him out to be. It’s not that black lives matter, ALL lives matter and if the Police were wrong in his death, that’s a matter for justice, it doesn’t make make all white people privileged or racist.

It’s quite possible you need to get out and see a little of the world rather than passing judgement from your high alter.

I feel you have erred greatly and I now have concerns for my son’s education within your class and if your current conduct will allow him to approach the subject matter effectively with a balanced and fair view.

I have copied a number of people in to this email as I wish it to be registered as a complaint of your conduct and feel it should be investigated.

Could someone contact me to discuss this further.

Has Meerkatz called you a Nazi yet?

Also see my bold
 
An excellent reply, factual and objective but refusing to rise to emotional hysteria. Without saying too much, is the person who sent that email a teacher of your son in a particular class (RS, Philosophy etc.) or in a general role (Head of Year, tutor etc.)?

She’s his psychology teacher. He does like a bit of a debate (don’t know where he gets that from) and will challenge things. Some of his teachers use their position to be contrite or attempt to patronise him. His geography teacher called him a racist when he raised a factual point (teacher later apologised). His geography teacher is also a complete lefty, my lads a young conservative, which upsets the teacher.

All I want is for the teachers to teach what they are supposed to teach, I don’t want them imposing their politics or opinions on him. That said, it is a good school and they’ve gone to great lengths throughout this period they have had to close the school.
 

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