Civvy work ethics and lack thereof!

#1
What is it about the work ethics of this country? I have had two employees jack on me in the last 24 hours. I would understand if they were paid peanuts and treated like cnuts but they are not.
First off some knob throws in the towel BY TEXT at 21.30 Giving me no notice period, leaving me with no cover, thousands of pounds worth of my kit with no operator costing me money, and a customer on the phone tearing his hair out!

And then to top my fantastic morning another twat doesn't turn up and his phone is switched off! Leaving six people to stand about and scratch their collective arrses at a cost of £285/hour.

The work I do isn't rocket science, or even ballistic dynamics, but it does require a competent employee to be reliablle and trustworthy. Two traits which seem to be lacking in the modern civilian workforce.

How satisfying would it be to be able to charge cnuts expenses or even issue a good shoeing if they don't show up! You would certainly see a change in attitude then. At the minute most bods wouldn't give a monkeys about the consequences of them being a jack barsteward. As always its the faithful 85% of the rest of my guys who have to pick up the pieces.

Am I the only one, or does anyone else have any horror/comedy employees?

I'm off to make a brew and calm down!
 
#3
I have a few ex forces guys, one of which is an absolute diamond,ex infanteer, never late, never sleeps in, calls if he has any problems, and is the most proactive man I know.(He puts me to shame sometimes!) He is paid well for his good attitude and skills. The others are rather grey but solid guys.

The twats that are giving me the problems are the cnuts that have never seen themselves in a uniform ever. Unless you count a premier league football shirt!!!

If there were decent ex forces bods out there that could do the work I need doing to the standard my customers demand they would have a job in a heartbeat. Sadly, good men like that are hard to find both in and out of the army.
 
#4
I agree with you. I work with a lazy sloth who thinks he is being employed by the company to surf the fcucking internet all day. His actual work can be measured in minutes. The only time he gets off his arrse is to get his lunch or take a P.

I would dearly love to bury my boot up his jacksie and give him the meaning of life. Complaining to management is a waste of time, they only want a quite life. I agree that if you want good workers you should employ only ex services.
 
#5
Unfortunately I am management in this job, and yes I do prefer the quiet life. I wish it were as simple as that!

My main bug bear with regards to employing thse guys is the supply and demand involved. Good men are in short supply, and the guys know this. They think they can jack on you one day and you will be begging them to come back a week later. They are finding out the hard way that I don't take much messing about from them. If they want to mess me about fine, they get the required amount of warnings and then get binned never to return. The previous manager would suck anything to get them to come back to work after their teddies were thrown. This has left me with an attitude that it is ok to rear up and storm off jobs, since you will be forgiven next day no questions asked. I believe if you throw your teddy like a child you can feck off to the big playground that is the dole office.

The good workers with me get rewarded and know that I appreciate what they do for me. The 85% that are good lads will testify to that.

I used to joke about when do you lose your sense of humour in the workplace. It was always the second jump up the ladder, rung two. I am now at rung two and I see why managers have no sense of humour, God I'm old!
 
#6
What I don't understand int he Civvie workplace is all these people who have the attitude that they own the company and what the boss asks them to do should only be done if they think they should.

For example, we have to fill in time sheets every week, its no drama but they have to be completed by the end of the week for accounting etc. Now there are a lot of people who think this is a travesty and b1tch about donig it by friday and think monday is ok. My opinion is that your boss has told you you need to do something and even explained why, thus shut your cakehole and do it!

At the end of the day, they are paying you do do what they ask, thus do it (unless its outside your remit), atthe end of the day they don't have to employ you, and your not the management, they are!

Again its the crossover between Military ethic and a civvie workplace.
 
#7
Simply refuse to provide a reference to their new employer. This will leave their new employers scratching their heads and wondering why and hopefully the lights will come on.
There will always be lazy individuals in the workplace the trouble is people are too frightened to discipline/sack people for fear of recrimination at an employment tribunal, as simply not following the correct grievance procedure can see an employer lose.
 
#8
You may find about 700 odd ex Brit military Saffer blokes looking for a job soon. A new anti merc law passed in SA is going to put a lot of folks out of a job who are nothing of the sort but forced to seek employment away from home.
 
#9
Funny this topic should come up!!

I work in the utility industry as a Project Manager and yesterday two lads out working on a rough estate in Birmingham, they leave the key in the ignition to the van and surprise surprise two minutes later some local smackhead gets in and drives off!! Just had a phone call to say the tools were dumped a few miles away and the van was used in a robbery last night!!

What the fuck? Who leaves keys in the ignition when they are nowhere near the vehicle? Plus insurance will not pay out because the van was not locked!!
 
#10
yater_spoon said:
Simply refuse to provide a reference to their new employer. This will leave their new employers scratching their heads and wondering why and hopefully the lights will come on.
There will always be lazy individuals in the workplace the trouble is people are too frightened to discipline/sack people for fear of recrimination at an employment tribunal, as simply not following the correct grievance procedure can see an employer lose.
References are not worth the paper anymore. Any firm will (generally) not give you a reference apart from stating what sick days you took and if they had any formal issues with you for fear of if they give you a glowing reference and your new employer doesn't think its justified, they cna now take the old employe to court! Barstewards
 
#11
intothesilk2 said:
I agree with you. I work with a lazy sloth who thinks he is being employed by the company to surf the fcucking internet all day. His actual work can be measured in minutes. The only time he gets off his arrse is to get his lunch or take a P
Sounds like me! Does he take a sicky after a big night out? Clock off early and come in late when the boss in on hoilday?
 
#12
Don't start me. Why use 500000 words, when 5 will do?

I have to work with a few civvies, some are good, some are complete jobsworths and are determined to make it look like they are doing their job.

For instance:

Civvy: We need to move that desk.
Me: Lets shift it then.
Civvy: Oh no, we need to risk assess it and get some other civvies in to do it.
Me: That will take a week.
Civvy: I know but that's how we have to do it.

Mind you, I have taught them how to fix the water boiler and where the trip switch is. Don't tell Debut.
 
#13
Dale the snail said:
Don't start me. Why use 500000 words, when 5 will do?

I have to work with a few civvies, some are good, some are complete jobsworths and are determined to make it look like they are doing their job.

For instance:

Civvy: We need to move that desk.
Me: Lets shift it then.
Civvy: Oh no, we need to risk assess it and get some other civvies in to do it.
Me: That will take a week.
Civvy: I know but that's how we have to do it.

Mind you, I have taught them how to fix the water boiler and where the trip switch is. Don't tell Debut.
F*cking hell. You're a death trap woman.What if someone tries to move the desk, slips on the water (caused by your dodgy attempt to fix the boiler) and puts their back out?

This kind of dilema should take a six man team at least a week to sort. Otherwise they'd be out of a job.
 
#14
StabTiffy2B said:
Dale the snail said:
Don't start me. Why use 500000 words, when 5 will do?

I have to work with a few civvies, some are good, some are complete jobsworths and are determined to make it look like they are doing their job.

For instance:

Civvy: We need to move that desk.
Me: Lets shift it then.
Civvy: Oh no, we need to risk assess it and get some other civvies in to do it.
Me: That will take a week.
Civvy: I know but that's how we have to do it.

Mind you, I have taught them how to fix the water boiler and where the trip switch is. Don't tell Debut.
F*cking hell. You're a death trap woman.What if someone tries to move the desk, slips on the water (caused by your dodgy attempt to fix the boiler) and puts their back out?

This kind of dilema should take a six man team at least a week to sort. Otherwise they'd be out of a job.
Your point being? If they don't like it, they shouldn't have joined the army.

Oh that's right, they didn't, they joined the civil service, but still have the rank of blah de blah.

"So when did you join the army then?"

I didn't.

"So how can you be a higher rank than me?"

I'm not, I'm the equivalent

"Where did you do your training then?"

I didn't, but I'm a Grade Blah which makes me higher than you

"So where did you do your training then?"

So on and so forth.........
 
#15
Ronnie8781, Utilities support is the field that I am trying to get men to work in. How many of vehicles have you lost in the last year. Two of our customers has lost six or seven from our area alone, but it has not yet stopped binlids from leaving keys in wagons.

You signed for it, you are responsible for it, try making the idiots pay some of the insuarnce excesses. Nothing to do with me guvnor!!!

But when they get smacked on the head by a piece of plant when they should have been nowhere near it(As per common sense and their safety induction), it's you that gets the blame!!
 
#16
1Bn_BBYDF said:
Ronnie8781, Utilities support is the field that I am trying to get men to work in. How many of vehicles have you lost in the last year. Two of our customers has lost six or seven from our area alone, but it has not yet stopped binlids from leaving keys in wagons.

You signed for it, you are responsible for it, try making the idiots pay some of the insuarnce excesses. Nothing to do with me guvnor!!!

But when they get smacked on the head by a piece of plant when they should have been nowhere near it(As per common sense and their safety induction), it's you that gets the blame!!
And Me as well last week lads on site got threatened with iron bars and had windscreens put in at 3 in the morning! just packed up and left site
and last year one of our subbies got knjocked out robbed and the van with all the tools taken project manager was still asking if the job was going to get finished that day :D
 
#17
Apart from ex soldiers, I have found that migrant labour from the newly joined members of the EU have a splendid work ethic and with two more former Eastern Block countries set to join the EU in the near future, the pool of migrant labour will increase considerably as they avail themselves of EU law allowing the free movement of labour throughout the member states.

Yes I would rather employ British labour but I am afraid that running a business involves making a profit and if British labour is sub-standard then they either do not get the job or they are down the road - it's that simple!

They can moan all they like about 'foreigners taking the jobs' but running a business is not a charity as some posters are only too well aware, and if a man or woman from Poland or Lithuania is prepared to walk miles to work in all weathers, turns up on time, works hard and gives 100% than that person, to me at least, is a valuable asset and stands head and shoulders above some of the deadbeat home-grown inbred idiots I have seen.

I have had people who qualified as doctors, dentist lawyers, and engineers, professional people in their own countries prepared to take the most menial of jobs in order to earn a living, jobs that that many of our own turn their noses up as rather 'beneath them' because it does not involve paying a fat salary for doing less than nothing.

The Polish man who emptied the waste-paper basket in my office and polished my desk as a cleaner was more highly skilled, better educated and more articulate than the woman who occupied the office next to mine!

We have a lot to learn.
 
#18
First post on arrse so welcome all. Interesting topic, and as a desk jockey in a big financial firm I am surrounded by civvies - they are a completely different breed.

Within my little area, reporting directly to a senior manager who's always at a meeting but never has any work as a result (I'm gunning for that job by the way) there are a few mignons who have been here longer than I but are a few grades below me (life's a b1tch). Anyway, we're a project team of about 6 people and occasionally we have 'some' work to do. Now, when work lands on my desk off I toddle and get the job done, no fuss, no moaning. The rest of the time I search the internet, go for coffee, smoke myself into an early grave. Work comes first though. My colleagues on the other hand do the internet thing, the coffee thing, the smoking thing, the shopping thing (hang on you're at work) and then, 2 days past the deadline they flap around the office claiming how 'busy' they are.

Unfortunately the management is completely sucked in by this - even to the point where I have been asked to demonstrate a little more 'bluster'!! WTF?? It's an odd world, not one I like very much, apparently 'bluster' and 'perception' are the keywords in this world, 'results' doesn't even appear in the civvy dictionary!

Whereas 'sucking up' would have resulted in a decent broom closet shoeing I'm now finding that 'sucking up' is the way ahead!!

As for the comment on moving a desk - same here - new printer arrives "great, let's plug it in" I say - "err, hang on I just need to request a desk" - "can't we put it there, where no-one has sat in the last 6 months?" came my reply - "err, err, no, we can't put it anywhere, such and such from blah de blah will have to do the lifting and carrying and connecting" - I walk away at this point! We did finally get the new printer connected - 2 weeks later!!
 
#20
Sitting in a nice airy office in bristol having a quick Arrse View at lunchtime. 2 tables away sits my excellent boss who does not believe in drama, believes in getting the job done with minimum fuss and then having a beer on a friday. If you're late he expects a call to say what the problem is, if you're ill then a daily phonecall so he can handle or delegate your workload and, as long as your job gets done and your invoicing is up to sctratch (i.e. on time and legible rather than unrealistic targets) then there is no drama and we all have a nice time.

The other lads in the office are hard working and dedicated during work hours and mostly relaxed and/or legless outside work hours. The company is 6 years old and very successful - the reason, from the boss down we are either ex mil or ex pad brats - brilliant
 
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