I have a son who has been in for three years now. Over his short career I have often heard him talk of 'civvies' with the contempt that many in here often use. However, when he returns home on leave he is still popular with his civvy mates and gets out on the lash with them at every available opportunity. He has just gone to Spain to stay with a civvy mate of his who is living there at the moment. Although I am not sure the mate in question will be best pleased by the surprise present he is taking for him, namely another two squaddies (but thats another story) My question is, when do young lads eventually reach the tipping point and turn their back on old mates and revolve all their friendships around those in green? Reading many other threads in here it seems like its inevitable that it happens, I just wondered when. Do some people remain loyal to all of their friends, or am I being naive?