Civvie Street Doesnt Care About Servicemen?

#1
If You think that, take a look at this article

Hundreds Attend Soldiers Funeral

Rifleman Lincoln grew up in what was then a sink estate - a resident that many of You right wingers wouldn't give the time of day to. Hundreds of others went to the church and so filled it that hundreds had to stand outside.
 
#2
People care about individual servicemen - the person that they knew who joined up, and is sadly no longer with us.

People don't care enough about the military as a whole to vote to change things. Defence isn't a vote winner - social services are.

The election won't be won or lost on foreign policy, or whether Mr Blair was a liar, or that Mr Brown is a parsimonious Chancellor with control freak tendencies.

It'll be won or lost based on how better off the electorate will be, if they can be bothered to vote.

That's where Civvie Street stops as far as the military are concerned - at the moment it becomes about issues rather than individuals.

As a nation, we can afford lots of things. 5th largest economy now? But we won't put our hands in our pocket to pay for them.
 
#3
Good one Sven. Did it cross your mind that this was one well-liked young soldier, rather than the indication of wider society's love for the breed?
Do you honestly think 650 of those were joe-off-the-street, come to give thanks to a man they never knew, but respected as a peacemaker. Hardly concrete evidence against the huge tide of apathy and indifference to the British soldier, is it?
 
#4
AND. Looking at the picture provided all I can see are old soldiers...nowhere does it say any chav attended.
BTW sorry if this is out of order talking politics of someones funeral. Please feel free to delete my post.
 
#5
Mr_Relaxed said:
People care about individual servicemen - the person that they knew who joined up, and is sadly no longer with us.

People don't care enough about the military as a whole to vote to change things. Defence isn't a vote winner - social services are.

The election won't be won or lost on foreign policy, or whether Mr Blair was a liar, or that Mr Brown is a parsimonious Chancellor with control freak tendencies.

It'll be won or lost based on how better off the electorate will be, if they can be bothered to vote.

That's where Civvie Street stops as far as the military are concerned - at the moment it becomes about issues rather than individuals.

As a nation, we can afford lots of things. 5th largest economy now? But we won't put our hands in our pocket to pay for them.
No, we pay for them but wish we didn't.

Too many people will vote for the party who declares the lowest tax burden, too many look to their own situation and couldn't give a toss about any other.

Too many people slag off lads on estates like the Sherbourn as being money grabbing wasters - there are threads that say exactly that in the first two pages of this forum - and would cast them into even worse penury given half a chance.

I disagree totally about it being that Rifleman Lincoln was a local lad that had these people mourning, if He had died from an illness - serving or not - I very much doubt that He would have got the atendees He did.

I'm not saying the majority of people support the war, polls show differently, they do in some places however support our troops
 
#6
Sven said:
Rifleman Lincoln grew up in what was then a sink estate - a resident that many of You right wingers wouldn't give the time of day to.
Sorry Sven, you are sadly wrong. A lot of the target audience here grew up on the same sink estates. Just because some of our politics are not newliarbour does not mean we have forgotten where we came from.

Heed :roll:
 

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#8
spiffy said:
Sven, only you could use the death of a soldier to try and score a cheap political point. Shame on you.
He wasn't though as far as I can see? He was saying that there is wider support for the forces out there than is apparent from some of the media.
 
#9
Sixty said:
spiffy said:
Sven, only you could use the death of a soldier to try and score a cheap political point. Shame on you.
He wasn't though as far as I can see? He was saying that there is wider support for the forces out there than is apparent from some of the media.
Thanks Sixty
 
#11
spiffy said:
You right wingers wouldn't give the time of day to
thats svens cheap political point....
I was commenting on a group of posters that slagged of families in the same situation as Rifleman Lincoln without knowing their reasons for being there. Give me an alternative and appropriate name for those of You who have voiced this view and I will happily retract and use that new name
 
#12
Heedthebaw said:
Sven said:
Rifleman Lincoln grew up in what was then a sink estate - a resident that many of You right wingers wouldn't give the time of day to.
Sorry Sven, you are sadly wrong. A lot of the target audience here grew up on the same sink estates. Just because some of our politics are not newliarbour does not mean we have forgotten where we came from.

Heed :roll:
Yoou are right, some of our families did - I for instance spent three years on two of the most notorious in Sheffield.

Heed :roll:
 
#13
Sven said:
spiffy said:
You right wingers wouldn't give the time of day to
thats svens cheap political point....
I was commenting on a group of posters that slagged of families in the same situation as Rifleman Lincoln without knowing their reasons for being there. Give me an alternative and appropriate name for those of You who have voiced this view and I will happily retract and use that new name
cheap and tacky sven, cheap and tacky.
 
#14
Sven said:
Heedthebaw said:
Sven said:
Rifleman Lincoln grew up in what was then a sink estate - a resident that many of You right wingers wouldn't give the time of day to.
Sorry Sven, you are sadly wrong. A lot of the target audience here grew up on the same sink estates. Just because some of our politics are not newliarbour does not mean we have forgotten where we came from.

Heed :roll:
Yoou are right, some of our families did - I for instance spent three years on two of the most notorious in Sheffield.

Heed :roll:
Sorry spiffy, I'm with Sven on this and that's a Norfolk Park vet speaking.
 
#15
spiffy said:
Sven said:
spiffy said:
You right wingers wouldn't give the time of day to
thats svens cheap political point....
I was commenting on a group of posters that slagged of families in the same situation as Rifleman Lincoln without knowing their reasons for being there. Give me an alternative and appropriate name for those of You who have voiced this view and I will happily retract and use that new name
cheap and tacky sven, cheap and tacky.
And if I'd called You all a Rant of posters . . . . .

The message was the same, after all
 
#16
I think the vast majority of the population are saddened to hear of a service death of course they are and I am sure alot of people in the towns where they grew up would pay their respects. In the same way alot of the population gasp when shown stories such as the recent one with the horrendous pictures of some of the housing service personel are quartered in.
When it comes down to it though the base response is "they volunteered" and as long as it is some-one else's son, daughter, brother, sister they are not really too concerned. The fundamental human instinct is for survival and whilst those of us connected with the services see the problems the military face and the things they need people with no service connection are far more concerned with if they can get an NHS dentist or how much petrol costs.
If we want the population as a whole to have more value and appreciation of their military then they need to be shown that the government truly respect and value them. It is not just serving personel and their families who see the words of "concern" for the "look how nice I am really" opinion boosters that MP's dole out to eager journo's who want nothing more than to sell their next paper or increase viewers for their TV broadcast. It is fairly obvious to every person in this country that the spending on military has gone down and the commitments have rapidly gone up and if the MP's have no problem with that why would Joe Public?
 
#17
mistersoft said:
Sven said:
Heedthebaw said:
Sven said:
Rifleman Lincoln grew up in what was then a sink estate - a resident that many of You right wingers wouldn't give the time of day to.
Sorry Sven, you are sadly wrong. A lot of the target audience here grew up on the same sink estates. Just because some of our politics are not newliarbour does not mean we have forgotten where we came from.

Heed :roll:
Yoou are right, some of our families did - I for instance spent three years on two of the most notorious in Sheffield.

Heed :roll:
Sorry spiffy, I'm with Sven on this and that's a Norfolk Park vet speaking.
I was on the Manor and Firth Park, Mr S
 
#19
spiffy said:
Sven said:
I was on the Manor and Firth Park, Mr S
...and now you live near bradford and have a muslim for a neighbour, isn't there anywhere you haven't lived ?
Don't You read WCs posts - I live in Skipton, 16 miles away from Bradford.

And to date I have lived at

Sheffield
Bolton Abbey
Catterick
Middle Wallop
Detmold
Soest
Thirsk
Addingham
Gargrave
 
#20
People only care about the people who have touched their lives I feel.

As the Army is approx 100 000 bods, thats not a big community of people to care about Soldier X dying on active service at a local level, let alone county, regional etc.

Having attended a good few funerals in the past 10 years what stands out most in my mind is the coming together of ex' service organisations like the Legion at these tragic events. It always appears that it's the ex service comunity that cares from with a local comunity, rather than the comunity itself.

I feel more people would turn up to throw stones at a van carrying an unknown to them paedophile out of a police station than attend the funeral of an unknown to them serviceman from within their comunity.
 

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