CivPol to RMP?

#22
Personnaly, I wouldn't dream of joining up if I was already set up in a career in the civpol. However, I've wouldn't know what it is like to be in the civpol but if it's not all it's cracked up to be or maybe a bit to hard to hack then maybe try MOD Plod instead. I knew a civpol officer who transfered to MOD Plod because they don't have to deal with as much s**t as the civpol do. Unless you really want to go on ops I'd just stay put.
 
#23
starkie2005blue said:
Unless you really want to go on ops I'd just stay put.
I don't know, with Iraq in history there is only one Ops Theatre and two six month tours a year. RMP seem to deploy by Provost Company group, I guess 80% of the Coy deploy and there are 10 Regular Provost companies.

Theoretically that is one deployment every five years. Plan your postings well and you could avoid Ops throughout your career.
 
#25
ShinyMan said:
It is something i have considered in applying to join as an officer. Unfortunately i'm a little bit short of the academic qualifications required as i only have AS Levels and not A2 Levels.
It's done by UCAS points now; I think you need about 180 for officer entry, and with 300 points per AS level that shouldn't be too hard.
 
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#26
ShinyMan said:
It is something i have considered in applying to join as an officer. Unfortunately i'm a little bit short of the academic qualifications required as i only have AS Levels and not A2 Levels.
Look upon that as a blessing mate.
 
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#27
starkie2005blue said:
Personnaly, I wouldn't dream of joining up if I was already set up in a career in the civpol. However, I've wouldn't know what it is like to be in the civpol but if it's not all it's cracked up to be or maybe a bit to hard to hack then maybe try MOD Plod instead. I knew a civpol officer who transfered to MOD Plod because they don't have to deal with as much s**t as the civpol do. Unless you really want to go on ops I'd just stay put.
Having seen both sides of the fence, he's far better off where he is, however if he really needs to get it out of his system, then perhaps the TA, if his Force allows for it?

What he really needs to do though is have a really good long look before he commits himself. The grass may on occasion appear greener.
 
#28
The other is a bobby and said he wished he never left but would not be re-joining.

Ask this colleague why he wouldn't join back up with RMP, ask him why he left RMP, if you haven't aready done so.

however if he really needs to get it out of his system, then perhaps the TA, if his Force allows for it?

Doubt this, I believe you can't serve in the army and be in the specials and would imagine it to be same to be in civpol and be in the TA
 
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#29
starkie2005blue said:
The other is a bobby and said he wished he never left but would not be re-joining.

Ask this colleague why he wouldn't join back up with RMP, ask him why he left RMP, if you haven't aready done so.

however if he really needs to get it out of his system, then perhaps the TA, if his Force allows for it?

Doubt this, I believe you can't serve in the army and be in the specials and would imagine it to be same to be in civpol and be in the TA
I'm not sure what the first part of your post is referring to but your 'assumption' re the TA indicates that you have little or no knowledge in this area. So 'you' doubt it? Really? That's nice. Just because you can't be a soldier and a Special, doesn't mean that you can't be a Constable and a reservist. The two situations bear no relevance to each other. But please, don't take my word for it. Just you keep spouting sh*t about something you know f*ck all about.
 
#30
F**king Hell, point taken!! I doubted it as I couldn't imagine that as a serving police officer you would be spared to go on ops with the TA, but as you point out, I don't know and I've never claimed to do so. I knew you would due to your valuable past and current experiences but I'll not bother spouting s**t to find out more about it!
 
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#32
Haymaker said:
Biscuits AB - do yourself a favour, turn off your computer and go and do something worthwhile, you tit.
Do us all a favour and come back with something worth reading.
 
#33
I think you've got some good opinions from people on here scouse_phil both from inside and outside of those chosen paths, and sometimes an outside opinion can be useful. Whatever your decision, good luck with it and hope you get what you want from it.
 
#34
Biscuits_AB said:
starkie2005blue said:
Personnaly, I wouldn't dream of joining up if I was already set up in a career in the civpol. However, I've wouldn't know what it is like to be in the civpol but if it's not all it's cracked up to be or maybe a bit to hard to hack then maybe try MOD Plod instead. I knew a civpol officer who transfered to MOD Plod because they don't have to deal with as much s**t as the civpol do. Unless you really want to go on ops I'd just stay put.
Having seen both sides of the fence, he's far better off where he is, however if he really needs to get it out of his system, then perhaps the TA, if his Force allows for it?

What he really needs to do though is have a really good long look before he commits himself. The grass may on occasion appear greener.
I've got no reason to dispute that the original poster may be beter off staying in civpol, but as a copper with little experience of the RMP myself (I'm in the application process to join RMP thus leaving civpol), I'd be interested to know specifically what the advantages / disadvantages are between the two organisations? Some seem obvious, such as being away for extended periods on ops or overseas postings. Others might be harder to explain but none the less valid, however if there was anything specific, I'd be grateful for the gen.
 
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#35
You seem to be unsure of what exactly it is that you want mate. You claimed in another thread that you left the Army in 2002, so I would imagine that you'll have at least some knowledge of what it is that RMP do.

What I will say is that you will not get the level of technical support or much in the way of policing experience from RMP line management that is currently available to you today. They may argue that, but those who do will only do so as they feel personally insulted. They shouldn't though, as they should recognise the truth in that statement.

If you left in 2002 mate, will you be age barred? How long did you do in the mob? Why did you leave? How will broken service affect your pension rights? Now having 7 years experience of the OB would you really want to go into a job where you have to do what some f*ckwit with 3 stripes or more who knows bugger all about policing tells you, just because he/she can? It will happen mate. That's the Army way as you already know. You will get frustrated. People don't get promoted in RMP because they're good policemen. There's no OSPRE to sit. Don't feel as though your current skill set will be put to good use either. Take it from someone with 1st hand experience...it won't. There are at least 2 ex OB whom I know who are serving and they'll tell you the same.

It's ultimately your choice and if you go for it then good luck to you, but if you are only considering a move to RMP because you are either currently bored or just hacked off, wouldn't you be better moving to another department or even another Force? Are you married? Would you or your wife & kids want to take up a transient life style, kids having to move schools every couple of years, wife unable to get a job that pays what she should be paid (just ask some of the pad's wives in Germany how they feel about that) because of some outdated agreement between Governments. You might get a decent MQ in one posting and end up in a right tip in the next one. It all takes its toll on your domestic life. If you are a singly, do you really want to go back to living in the block at your age?

Personally mate, I would point you to the TA. Ask your Force if they allow for it (some do, some don't) and give it a whirl. That way, you can take it or leave it. You can get your fix there. Giving up a good career now, might not be the right move in the long run.

If you do decide to go Regular, apart from my earlier advice re taking a long hard look, my only other recommendation would be once you've committed yourself and you are in, aim for the SIB as soon as you possibly can mate, as the Branch is like a tropical island..........marooned in a ocean full of f*ckwits.
 
#36
Biscuits, thanks for the balanced and informative reply. Having served in an infantry regiment prior to leaving and joining West Mids Police (joined WMP transfered to MDP, and promptly transfered back), I had an outsiders view of what the RMP are all about, but your post gives a quick idea of some of the downsides of it from an insiders point. Appreciate the heads up.

Long story short, my main motivation is to work, train and gain experience in C.P. The wife and me have gone seperate ways, I live away from my house at the moment in single quaters, and could rent it out.

Once again, cheers for the reply and info.
 
#37
Have you thought about 116 Pro Coy (v)?
It's a local TA unit to yourself in Cannock, and offers the CP course to suitable candidates with enough experience.



martin7606 said:
Biscuits, thanks for the balanced and informative reply. Having served in an infantry regiment prior to leaving and joining West Mids Police (joined WMP transfered to MDP, and promptly transfered back), I had an outsiders view of what the RMP are all about, but your post gives a quick idea of some of the downsides of it from an insiders point. Appreciate the heads up.

Long story short, my main motivation is to work, train and gain experience in C.P. The wife and me have gone seperate ways, I live away from my house at the moment in single quaters, and could rent it out.

Once again, cheers for the reply and info.
 
#38
M7606; it's quite rare that I agree with Biscuits but he has raised alot of valid points that you do need to take into consideration, if you haven't already done so:

Regarding your previous Service, have you taken time out to have an informal chat with your local AFCO team? They'll be able to advise you(hopefully) on the way forward regarding possible re-enlistment, any benefits relating to your previous accrued pensionable service, etc.

Someone has already mentioned that they believe Service pay is comparible to that of the Civ Police :? . I am sure that you have already had a look at the latest Service Pay Rates to make the comparison (taking into account the loss of overtime, and additional benefits, etc.....).

Best of luck though.

Don't fancy being a Combat Human Resource Specialist by any chance :roll:
 
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