Civpol drill - or lack thereof

#1
I was looking at pictures of the funeral of one of the 2 female PCs murdered in Manchester, and noticed none of the coppers in said picture were saluting the coffin as it passed them.

I thought compliments were paid to passing coffins.

Has plod dropped drill completely or is there some other reason?
 
#3
Maybe a salute was given on behalf of all those attending. That would negate the need for lots of ad hoc movement. A bit of dignified steadiness goes a long way.

I think the Police Standard Bearer was in attendance as well, so maybe the dipping of the Standard was seen as appropriate.
 

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#5
Drill has been replaced by diversity training and it contravenes all the rules on equality to give a demeaning gesture to someone and not to others.
 

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#6
Of course, all that is just total bollocks.
 
#7
Of course, all that is just total bollocks.
On my first day in Police training in 2007 after 24 years in the Army, I was told that marching was against my human rights by a civilian instructor.

No drill in the Police anymore.
 
#8
yep what he said, drill has been binned as it was deemed too demeaning to bobbies.
the valuable time is not taken up with diversity training, and meetings with your federation rep, to see how much you can sue the force for.
 
#9
yep what he said, drill has been binned as it was deemed too demeaning to bobbies.
the valuable time is not taken up with diversity training, and meetings with your federation rep, to see how much you can sue the force for.
You are quite right it is NOT taken up with diversity training and meetings with The Fed Reps
 
#11
Alternatively, having just seen a video of the hearse arriving on the news, the coppers were stood so close together than any attempt to salute would have involved smacking the person on their right in the face and looking like a complete spaz.
 
#13
On radio 4 news, this morning, they said that the Police had been requested to bow their heads, rather than salute. No explanation given.

Inky
 
#14
On my first day in Police training in 2007 after 24 years in the Army, I was told that marching was against my human rights by a civilian instructor.

No drill in the Police anymore.
Really? REALLY!

Ye Gods!

RIP Nicola.
 
#15
Drill has been replaced by diversity training and it contravenes all the rules on equality to give a demeaning gesture to someone and not to others.
Bang on.

CivPol has pretty much just fallen apart. The Frontline still has spirit and some bloody good officers, but senior managers and the way everything is run is just utter crap. The Boy Scouts is better run.

I once got bollocked for saluting a fellow officer (more of an informal gesture between friends) and I also got bollocked for mentioning "Bikini State Red" (as a joke) in reference to how the town centre was on the previous night - apparently I was being "too military" and this might intimidate others.

Don't ever say boo to the goose, you might frighten a Chief Superintendent into a heart attack and cause a "Critical Incident" :neutral:
 
#16
Bang on.

CivPol has pretty much just fallen apart. The Frontline still has spirit and some bloody good officers, but senior managers and the way everything is run is just utter crap. The Boy Scouts is better run.

I once got bollocked for saluting a fellow officer (more of an informal gesture between friends) and I also got bollocked for mentioning "Bikini State Red" (as a joke) in reference to how the town centre was on the previous night - apparently I was being "too military" and this might intimidate others.

Don't ever say boo to the goose, you might frighten a Chief Superintendent into a heart attack and cause a "Critical Incident" :neutral:
Did the bollocking go along the lines of, "stop making a tit of yourself with the Benny Hill salutes you idiot" ? Since when were salutes "informal gestures between friends"?
 

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#17
Mnay years ago, when I first joined plod, we did our training at an old stately home, Eynsham Hall, in Oxford. Drill featured quite heavily and we had 'drill leaders' chosen from amongst us to refine and parctice. I was the only ex squaddie on my intake and so I was nominated. However, as I was a Greenjacket, the Drill Sgt ( who was ex Guards) had a bit of a fit when he saw what i had been teaching, so we had to go back to old-fashioned 'Redcoat' drill. At that time we still saluted senior officers ( although my Chief Supt always accused me of taking the piss when i saluted him) and marched out to our beat.

We also had to learn and practice traffic control, complete with white gloves.

And no! Robert peel wasn't the boss then.
 
#18
At Bramshill circa 2003 drill was left in the hands of of any ex HM Forces types in each class when ever we had to move about the site as a formed body (very rarely) and for one inspection a week , far more important at the time was a hearty "Good Morning" or "Good Afternoon" on passing another officer . Though there was a very brief bit of marching for the pass off .
 
#19
Ultimately its up to the family, however with the amount of officers and different salutes etc it might of looked a bit raggedy. When my Inspector had his funeral service earlier this year we lined the street in to the church without saluting and after the service he was saluted out of the street where the church was by all. TBH as long as its dignified who cares
 
#20
Did the bollocking go along the lines of, "stop making a tit of yourself with the Benny Hill salutes you idiot" ? Since when were salutes "informal gestures between friends"?
Since CivPol became an informal, ill-diciplined, unfit organisation... where officers aren't even taught to salute, let alone taught drill.

Of course you can make a salute informal - no bracing up or stamping of boots. A simple movement of the hand to recognise a comrade.
 
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