Civilian armed response to terrorist incidents?

Jesus could you imagine the carnage.

Now TA for armed back up - thinking old Royal Irish - could be an option. Sort of like lifeboat crews - pager goes off and you leg it to the TA centre

Thanks for the mention of old royal Irish as an option :)[/QUOTE]
 
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Generally you can't own/possess sidearms / pistols in the UK , (a few can have them for humane dispatch).
Generally we only have non repeating rifles (.22RF s/a are allowed) and we have shotguns, semi auto shotguns are
allowed but must have a 24" barrel.
In NI you can, also Section 5 aloes you to apply for one.
 
Jesus could you imagine the carnage.

Now TA for armed back up - thinking old Royal Irish - could be an option. Sort of like lifeboat crews - pager goes off and you leg it to the TA centre

Thanks for the mention of old royal Irish as an option :)
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unless your going to have a TA qrf already in the drill hall that would be slightly less than useful capability. the met reacted and shot those terrorists in 8 mins. the TA are unlikely to reach the drill hall in half an hour.
you could have a section in the drill hall ready to go but its likely to be expensive and not terribly useful
 
Perhaps a better idea would be to train people in proper first aid with an emphasis on gsw and blast injuries and prepare them to deal with the aftermath of an attack?
 
Yeah I think the answer was no, you could use a legally owned firearm in your home defending yourself, but taking your .22 out in your London apartment and Sniping potential Terrorists probably should never be legal.

As to TA QRF - why not have Civilians who are taught to be Police Officers rather than Soldiers doing it, if you are a bit bored then join both TA and Specials and double your chances of some action. In fact, join the Lifeboats guys and Mountain Rescue too.

Are all Special Constables still short arse wife beaters with a chip on their shoulder and a well thumbed copy of Mein Kampf?
 
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Yeah I think the answer was no, you could use a legally owned firearm in your home defending yourself, but taking your .22 out in your London apartment and Sniping potential Terrorists probably should never be legal.
There was no answer that everyone agreed on.

While the law allows a member of the public to use "reasonable force" to protect themselves or others from a crime, the definition of "reasonable force" is subjective and ultimately down to a court to decide on in that particular situation. It may be reasonable for a firearms owner to shoot a terrorist to end a situation and protect others. That said, it would have to be a bloody dire situation! The same applies in the home,with no distinction between the home and a public place.

Following a thread drift there was a general agreement that an armed militia/civilian paramilitary roving "terrorist take down squad" would not be a good idea.
 
Leaving aside the fact that as a never-served civvy I've only ever shot at paper/steel targets or clays there's also the psychological aspect of deliberately aiming a firearm at another person. I found it hard enough when buying a shotgun to have the bloke in the shop look down the barrels to see how my eye lined up with the bead, let alone trying to engage a terrorist moving about, maybe even shooting at me, likely with other innocent people running all over the place.
However, get Jonny Jihadi to hold a Fig 14 target in front of his face, while standing still in front of a 15 foot sandbank, at a known distance out to 300 yards and I would be happy, if so ordered by a warranted constable, to attempt the shot from a comfortable prone position.

I think you might be surprised at just how quickly those genetically-programmed primal instincts kick in when its a "him or me" situation. Pretty much everyone, male or female, has the killer instinct when the situation demands.

A sporting shooter is arguably quite well equipped to be as effective a "combat shot" as a policeman or even serviceman: the shooter will probably have had more practice, will know the zero on their firearms at multiple ranges, and - if he/she has had any involvement at leading a "moving target" in live or paper shooting - will have some ability to hit a mobile individual.
 
Following a thread drift there was a general agreement that an armed militia/civilian paramilitary roving "terrorist take down squad" would not be a good idea.
But but the Sharia Patrols work, no one pukes on a mosque any more....are they still happening back there in Blighty or was it a media stunt?
 
I think you might be surprised at just how quickly those genetically-programmed primal instincts kick in when its a "him or me" situation. Pretty much everyone, male or female, has the killer instinct when the situation demands. I

A sporting shooter is arguably quite well equipped to be as effective a "combat shot" as a policeman or even serviceman: the shooter will probably have had more practice, will know the zero on their firearms at multiple ranges, and - if he/she has had any involvement at leading a "moving target" in live or paper shooting - will have some ability to hit a mobile individual.
I can even skin and butcher what I've shot so I'll be even more useful than a target shooter.
 
Perhaps a better idea would be to train people in proper first aid with an emphasis on gsw and blast injuries and prepare them to deal with the aftermath of an attack?
Oh there you go with your common sense.

The McPherson report into the murder of Stephen Lawrence pointed out police first aid was rubbish. No one really bothers about that bit of the report, because it is so much more fun (and lucrative) to run diversity training sessions.

If we are still waiting for people to notice that from a 1999 report, I'd pull up a chair and get a good book. It's going to be a while.
 
Here is a post that fits this one perfectly. Written by a good old Viginia USA citizen.

Now, before anyone jumps all over me about the title of my post, BTW, I love an AK :D for oh, home defense (need to find some frangible ammo for AK), hunting (have some Cor-bon and Hornady hunting ammo) , target shooting, plinking.
I've modified my AK to be a homeland defence rifle, I've installed a skeletonized sniper stock, grip pod bipod, and a 4x scope.
In keeping with homeland defence theme, I also have 15 thirty round magazines, 10 ten rounders, and 1 seventy five round drum.
So if any foreign troops wish to invade the US, I can help repel them (even though my AK isn't select fire).

And BTW, the AK-47 rifle as designed by Mikhail Kalashnikov is as bulletproof as it's rumoured to be, I've owned my AK since '96 or so and just now cleaned it for the first time (15 years later).

It's never misfired, jammed, or had any other malady associated with not cleaning your weapon.
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There is a couple of worrying sentences in that blog above tbh.
But:
I mean it's ok to talk about a farmer Giles wearing pants up to his waist, a flat cap, and a 12 bore rocking up to a Jihadi nutbar but what about the ex service guy with legally owned weapons turning up with jeans, trainers, and a baseball cap sporting a Glock 19. Who does the 2nd random armed civvy or the cops shoot then ?
 
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