City soldiers on 100k a year

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Revealed: 'City soldiers' on £100,000 - Telegraph
Armed Forces reservists called up for service in Afghanistan from City jobs have been paid six-figure salaries by the Ministry of Defence for their military work, figures have revealed.

The disclosure has led ministers to draw up plans to curb the costs of deploying so-called “City Soldiers”.

Under military rules, reservists who are called up for service are paid the same wages as regular personnel. If they find their military pay is less than their civilian salaries, they can claim for additional money, known as a Reservist Award.

Official figures released under the Freedom of Information Act show that eight reservists called up for service in Afghanistan this year were paid more than £100,000 for their tour of duty.

The highest-paid, who holds the rank of a junior officer, was paid £135,000.

Others, who rank as sergeants, lance corporals and privates, were paid between £100,000 and £110,000.

Those salaries are several times the pay of regular soldiers of the same ranks.

Some of the high-paid soldiers are believed to be members of the Honourable Artillery Company, a TA unit based in the City of London.

The HAC is the oldest continuous unit in the British Army, and describes itself as the most prestigious.

Its members include leading City figures who have served with distinction is several conflicts and one HAC soldier was killed in Afghanistan.

The figures show that other reservists paid more than £100,000 included members of the Royal Marine Reserve and the RAF Reserve.

Defenders of the Reservist Award rules say the payments are necessary to prevent reservists losing out financially because of their service.

But ministers are understood to feel that that very high salary payments for reservists cannot be justified, leading to a review of reservist pay rules.

"There will have to be a tightening up of the system to limit these costs,” said an MoD source.

“At a time when resources are finite, we will have to use our funds more carefully and that will include mobilising the right people and at the right cost. It doesn't make sense to be mobilising junior soldiers on over £100,000 with the Government picking up the bill for their City salary."

The figures also revealed that several doctors and surgeons from the Army medical reserve were paid six-figure salaries for Afghan tours.

The best-paid of the medics received £225,000 for work in Afghanistan.

The MoD insisted that the costs of calling up medical reservists is justified, and it is understood that they will be exempt from any change in pay rules.

The MoD said: “Many are highly trained consultant surgeons or consultant anaesthetists often only found in the NHS. Although highly paid, they are in small numbers and critical to providing medical support to Regular forces.

“These highly paid Reservists are a small number of specialists and not indicative of wider Reservist mobilisation costs.”

Reservist pay rules are being reviewed as the MoD attempts to almost double the existing number of deployable reservists to 30,000.
 
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Biscuits_AB

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Just another journalist trying to cause a stir. What does he expect that they should do? A total non-story, but it will no doubt have somebody choking on their tea somewhere in Surrey. What do they hope to achieve by printing this? If HMG don't wish to pay for top flight surgeons, stop agreeing to commit the Forces to support some other fuckers foreign policy.
 
#6
Inevitable story really. My view is that in the case of specialists both medical and some others, the costs are justified. But for non-specialists we should severely limit the top up pay and if we lose some reservists who we cannot afford to mobilise then so be it. The reserves are supposed to be a cheap option. If we could afford an expensive/better option we would just have lots of regulars.
 
#7
Just another journalist trying to cause a stir. What does he expect that they should do? A total non-story, but it will no doubt have somebody choking on their tea somewhere in Surrey. What do they hope to achieve by printing this? If HMG don't wish to pay for top flight surgeons, stop agreeing to commit the Forces to support some other fuckers foreign policy.
It's divide and conquer.

STABs are somewhere on a sliding scale behind welfare srcoungers.
 
#8
What a pile of crap, do they expect surgeons to work for free?
Its safe to say surgeons don't fall into the same grouping as city banker playing Pvt or Cpl, maybe driving an ambulance or supplying any other mundane but essential service
 
#10
what if a private on 150K would seem like waste of money. Would make more sense if they paid them on the value to the armed forces so that a surgen would get paid what worth for forces. If he was a private van drivers then get paid that wage if was a surgent when on tour get paid that wage.

It would seem common sense to pay people what worth normally irrespective of what paid normally whether that be lower or higher
 

jarrod248

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what if a private on 150K would seem like waste of money. Would make more sense if they paid them on the value to the armed forces so that a surgen would get paid what worth for forces. If he was a private van drivers then get paid that wage if was a surgent when on tour get paid that wage.

It would seem common sense to pay people what worth normally irrespective of what paid normally whether that be lower or higher
Is that a word salad?
 
#12
what if a private on 150K would seem like waste of money. Would make more sense if they paid them on the value to the armed forces so that a surgen would get paid what worth for forces. If he was a private van drivers then get paid that wage if was a surgent when on tour get paid that wage.

It would seem common sense to pay people what worth normally irrespective of what paid normally whether that be lower or higher
Good idea!

I take it you'll be happy to be paid in stale biscuits and a Swingball set.
 
#13
General lack of missing the point that these cases are all "voluntary compulsory" mobilisation. Nobody has to go if they don't want to and the Army doesn't have to take these people if it doesn't want to. Don't have the figures to hand but I suspect that the capitation rate for a senior Regular major on ops - including Op bonus, typical rates of LSSA etc - is going to be nudging towards 100k.

Somebody in the Telegraph (for which = some v. senior Army officers (one of whom may or may not be balding) with close links to the paper) really has got it in for the TA, haven't they. I wonder why ?
 
#14
The normal way of things would be to pay someone what there worth. By paying privates at high city rates it may be adding no value better spend the money on things that bring value equpiment doctors body armour whatever.

Even if going to overpay people better to do it through open compitition. For example adversise a squadie role for 100k for 6 months and take the best person that appears. Rather than pay city type a high salery to do something they are not worth a high salery for.


It seems common sense really, may be better to employee the city person to do the percurement for the MOD.

Not sure what a word salad is but problery some insult from some grunt i guess.
 
#15
The normal way of things would be to pay someone what there worth. By paying privates at high city rates it may be adding no value better spend the money on things that bring value equpiment doctors body armour whatever.

Even if going to overpay people better to do it through open compitition. For example adversise a squadie role for 100k for 6 months and take the best person that appears. Rather than pay city type a high salery to do something they are not worth a high salery for.


It seems common sense really, may be better to employee the city person to do the percurement for the MOD.

Not sure what a word salad is but problery some insult from some grunt i guess.
Cheers mate, not a bad job. If you could just wipe the excess slobber from the sill and get your face a bit closer, you'll be able to get into the corners of the windows too.
 
#16
Yes but i am still right by conventional wisdom. A typical amry type squadie pleb dress pritty but still an idiot. My post is messying this true. But your post is spelt correct but just meaningless noise.

Common sense is to pay market rate for the added value they bring the marginal benefit, not pay what someone may earn doing a different job.


They may be worth 100k at a bank but if cant shoot or drive or do anything as well as a typical sqaudie a waste of time etc if doing that role.

If they are adding more value like a doctor being a doctor that makes sense. A banker being a driver does not make sense. As there 100k is taking money out of budget for other things that may be more useful
 

jarrod248

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Gallery Guru
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Yes but i am still right by conventional wisdom. A typical amry type squadie dress pritty but still an idiot. My post is messying this true. But your post is spelt correct but just meaningless noise.

Common sense is to pay market rate for the added value they bring, not pay what someone may earn doing a different job.
It's a message but from what and where I've no idea.
 

Alsacien

MIA
Moderator
#18
The normal way of things would be to pay someone what there worth. By paying privates at high city rates it may be adding no value better spend the money on things that bring value equpiment doctors body armour whatever.

Even if going to overpay people better to do it through open compitition. For example adversise a squadie role for 100k for 6 months and take the best person that appears. Rather than pay city type a high salery to do something they are not worth a high salery for.


It seems common sense really, may be better to employee the city person to do the percurement for the MOD.

Not sure what a word salad is but problery some insult from some grunt i guess.
Would I be correct in assuming you are a plumber who suffers from dyslexia?

Just be careful you invite Santa to visit tomorrow, and not Satan...
 
#19
Yes but i am still right by conventional wisdom. A typical amry type squadie pleb dress pritty but still an idiot. My post is messying this true. But your post is spelt correct but just meaningless noise.

Common sense is to pay market rate for the added value they bring, not pay what someone may earn doing a different job.
Joe, thanks for pointing out the obvious, it's very much appreciated. Don't listen to the haters mate, I think it's great that the educationally subnormal aren't kept locked up in cages all year, it's only right that they let you out for a bit at Christmas.
 

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