City and Guilds in Leadership and Management

#1
Just to remind people another one that not many know about or have forgotten.

Sgt (or equivalent) - Licentiateship (LCGI) £58

SSgt/WO2 - Graduateship - £88

WO1 - Membership - £98

All you have to do is send in your CV along with a cheque for the above amount to the accreditiaion place at DETS(A) and a few weeks later you get a nice little certificate in the post

For more info clicky
 
#2
And what exactly does it mean, this certificate you can buy for £98?
 
#4
Biscuits_AB said:
AFA06 said:
And what exactly does it mean, this certificate you can buy for £98?
That'll your wallet will be £98 lighter.
And you'll have a nice certificate to show the dole office.
 
#5
Biscuits_AB said:
AFA06 said:
And what exactly does it mean, this certificate you can buy for £98?
That'll your wallet will be £98 lighter.
And it can look very nice in your PDR. I got mine and in all honesty, I think that's the only use for it. There is no way that I'd use those post nominals either.
 
#7
It was a serious question, what does 'Membership of the C&G actually mean? I have seen the ETS touting this for quite a while but looking online and at the info available from ETS it says very little more than the first post here - the different levels and the prices.

I mean, I give £98, I get some more post nominals - what do the post noms actually mean tho? If someone asks me - "what is membership to the C&G"? what do I say? The new government education award system pretends that certain 'awards' like this are equivalent to Masters but seriously, does anyone believe this? How would one describe this achievement/award to a prospective employer?

Unless anyone can convince me otherwise, it is a worthless piece of paper. Pyramid selling is illegal as it just suckers people into paying money for nothing. Why is this not illegal too and even more importantly, why is the ETS touting 'awards' that mean nothing?
 
#9
AFA06 said:
It was a serious question, what does 'Membership of the C&G actually mean? I have seen the ETS touting this for quite a while but looking online and at the info available from ETS it says very little more than the first post here - the different levels and the prices.

I mean, I give £98, I get some more post nominals - what do the post noms actually mean tho? If someone asks me - "what is membership to the C&G"? what do I say? The new government education award system pretends that certain 'awards' like this are equivalent to Masters but seriously, does anyone believe this? How would one describe this achievement/award to a prospective employer?

Unless anyone can convince me otherwise, it is a worthless piece of paper. Pyramid selling is illegal as it just suckers people into paying money for nothing. Why is this not illegal too and even more importantly, why is the ETS touting 'awards' that mean nothing?
The Graduateship award is at level 6 on the NQF (national quals framework).

This level 6 is "comparable" to an honours degree.

Check the City & Guilds website, it explains the accreditation criteria.

How well this is received by civilian employers is a different kettle of Bob's your mothers girlfriend.
 
#10
Means Feck all in civvy street.
 
#11
Bossdog said:
Means Feck all in civvy street.
This is what I thought - as it means nothing in the Army either, why are ETS pushing it so much?
 
#12
I did the application (plus letter of recommendation thing) in 1999/2000(ish), and became a member (it was the Institute of Supervision & Management back then). I'd been shelling out ever since to keep it, but never used the post nominals and decided not to renew it this year as I don't manage people. Moral...value (if any) depends on the type of career you decide to follow.
 
#13
Bossdog said:
Means Feck all in civvy street.
[tangent] Like NVQ's then? :D

Before people start, I am an NVQ Assessor so have a rough idea what I'm on about. The Learning Skills Council chuck an obscene amount of money at Training Providers for NVQs.[/tangent off]
 
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#15
the_matelot said:
Bossdog said:
Means Feck all in civvy street.
[tangent] Like NVQ's then? :D

Before people start, I am an NVQ Assessor so have a rough idea what I'm on about. The Learning Skills Council chuck an obscene amount of money at Training Providers for NVQs.[/tangent off]
And look at the state of some of the providers.
 

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#16
To be fair some NVQ's can provide a credit or direction for higher quals.
I would recommend using this as a acid test for all these type of quals - check if OU recognise and give credits for them for example, or CMI in this case.
 
#18
or you could get it for your £98 and take it to the OU... who will more than likely be willing to convert whatever it is worth into CATS points.


take your points and put them towards an OU degree... at Sgt your probably looking at saving £1000 worth of courses from the OU for nothing
 
#19
von_Richthofen said:
or you could get it for your £98 and take it to the OU... who will more than likely be willing to convert whatever it is worth into CATS points.


take your points and put them towards an OU degree... at Sgt your probably looking at saving £1000 worth of courses from the OU for nothing
I am currently looking at taking an OU degree.

The City and Guilds at GCGI level is indicated as a level 6 NVQ award.

Under the OU credit transfer it only mentions up to N/SVQ's level 5 in any occupational area, which can count, on credit transfer to 60 points at level 2 degree.

If this is correct, the £88.00 is well worth a years less study for a degree.

Can anyone confirm this credit transfer to an OU degree?

Regards
 
#20
I got my GCGI whilst in the RN,CPO same as staff sgt and it means when you go to a jobs fair they see you are a graduate and get offered graduate jobs,there was four of us in office and one said no to it and he is the one who was not whisked away at job fairs,go for it,friend of mine who is a teacher spent four years at uni for same level as GCGI,its worth it.
 

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