CIC only if you volunteer for Afghan

#1
Was Due to go on CIC soon (4Lancs) but I have been told places are only available for people willing to go on tour in September (approx 50 4Lancs going). Is this not discrimination? Any other Infantry Regs been told similar?
 
#2
I would say preference -should- be for those heading out, and then for those who've already been out. TA budget's a little f*cked over at the moment....
 
#3
lancs_lad said:
Was Due to go on CIC soon (4Lancs) but I have been told places are only available for people willing to go on tour in September (approx 50 4Lancs going). Is this not discrimination? Any other Infantry Regs been told similar?
Yes, how dare they discriminate against those unable or unprepared to do the job for real...
 

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#4
theoriginalphantom said:
lancs_lad said:
Was Due to go on CIC soon (4Lancs) but I have been told places are only available for people willing to go on tour in September (approx 50 4Lancs going). Is this not discrimination? Any other Infantry Regs been told similar?
Yes, how dare they discriminate against those unable or unprepared to do the job for real...
Well said sir
 
#5
Harsh guys, Harsh.

The bloke is at least willing to volunteer for the TA in the first place, which is something in the present climate. Credit where credit is due eh ?.
 
#6
theoriginalphantom said:
lancs_lad said:
Was Due to go on CIC soon (4Lancs) but I have been told places are only available for people willing to go on tour in September (approx 50 4Lancs going). Is this not discrimination? Any other Infantry Regs been told similar?
Yes, how dare they discriminate against those unable or unprepared to do the job for real...
Well I guess the cut backs are good then as only a small % are able to do the job for real, so in April that determined lot will all that may be left?

Back to the original post, my only gripe is that when I started training non of these limitations where in force. So they have now moved the goal posts by changing the original training agreement.
 
#7
lancs_lad said:
Was Due to go on CIC soon (4Lancs) but I have been told places are only available for people willing to go on tour in September (approx 50 4Lancs going). Is this not discrimination? Any other Infantry Regs been told similar?
The TA is no longer a safe haven or a drinking club for tour dodging but 'sunshine tour' medal collecting lardy MATTs dodgers.*

Priority has to be given to those that are going to play out there. I'm not sure, not having done the course myself, if it would be a good idea for non-inf TA types to do the course aswell.


What are you willing to do? Are you going to volunteer for some fun in the sun? 8)


* It's still a good oportunity to get called a STAB wakner by our Regular counterparts and an even better opportunity for us to prove we can do the job as well as them and in a lot of cases better.
 

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#8
lancs_lad said:
theoriginalphantom said:
lancs_lad said:
Was Due to go on CIC soon (4Lancs) but I have been told places are only available for people willing to go on tour in September (approx 50 4Lancs going). Is this not discrimination? Any other Infantry Regs been told similar?
Yes, how dare they discriminate against those unable or unprepared to do the job for real...
Well I guess the cut backs are good then as only a small % are able to do the job for real, so in April that determined lot will all that may be left?

Back to the original post, my only gripe is that when I started training non of these limitations where in force. So they have now moved the goal posts by changing the original training agreement.
Fair play to you mate for joining

However it's affecting every one they've only got so much cash and as unfair as it seems the lads deploying have to get priority and rightly so

Unfortunetly when all this is done only a few in your position will come back
 
#9
I never said I wasnt going to Tour but not this soon. I dont understand why there is a need for it, as the number of CICs is stil the same (until they are binned like everything else) and everyone I know who has recently (within last 2 yrs) done their 9 weekends got on a CIC easily, as in not a shortage of places.

Perhaps its a way of getting volunteers to fill the 50 tour places without sending out mobilisation letters?
 
#10
Is this going to turn into another 'outrage over the way the TA have been treated' thread?

The TA has changed during my time in the regulars, (in my opinion) it is no longer a low budget 'Dads Army' outfit and now capable of producing as good a soldier as can be found anywhere else; Plus they do it in their 'spare time' (and now for free). I'm not knocking the TA for what they do, or don't do.
What I am knocking is the moment something changes, or goes against anyone, one of the first things to be mentioned is discrimination. Those who are able and willing to go on a tour should get the benefits of being more useful to the 'one army'.
 
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#11
Those who are able and willing to go on a tour should get the benefits of being more useful to the 'one army'.

not seen any evidence of this so far..plenty of talk thats all.
 
#12
CC_TA said:
I'm not sure, not having done the course myself, if it would be a good idea for non-inf TA types to do the course aswell.
I guess some of that is covered by pre-deployment training, but I'd be interested in such a course if it existed and from what I'm hearing about what's going on with Herrick - medics racking up double-figure confirmed kills with a handgun - I wouldn't be surprised if some course like that for combat support corps being attached to infantry units turns up. I'm RSigs myself, but if I end up going out there I'd definitely want to be getting out to FOBs as a minimum and not sitting in Camp Bastion for 6 months.
 
#13
looktowindward said:
CC_TA said:
I'm not sure, not having done the course myself, if it would be a good idea for non-inf TA types to do the course aswell.
I guess some of that is covered by pre-deployment training, but I'd be interested in such a course if it existed and from what I'm hearing about what's going on with Herrick - medics racking up double-figure confirmed kills with a handgun - I wouldn't be surprised if some course like that for combat support corps being attached to infantry units turns up. I'm RSigs myself, but if I end up going out there I'd definitely want to be getting out to FOBs as a minimum and not sitting in Camp Bastion for 6 months.
Pretty much everything that could be covered was during PDT, there's lots of things that you won't be able to learn until a few hours after they've happened. :) You just have to muck in together and cuff it best you can.
 
#14
But having only just started my new job, I am keen to find out on what terms the mobilisation will be. If it is not a compulsory moblilisation then I think my employer mite say that if I go I have no Job to come back to and at the end of the day my employer is the one that pays the bills not the TA.
 
#15
theoriginalphantom said:
What I am knocking is the moment something changes, or goes against anyone, one of the first things to be mentioned is discrimination.
Examples, please.
 
#16
lancs_lad said:
Was Due to go on CIC soon (4Lancs) but I have been told places are only available for people willing to go on tour in September (approx 50 4Lancs going).
Who told you that? Some fat, wheezy bloke or somebody who actually know?

Is this not discrimination?
OK, lets think about this for one millionth of a second.

Places at CIC are, astonishingly enough, limited. Who do you think should get priority for CIC places; those who want to go and do an operational tour in september ( 2010, presumably ) or those want to stay at home without actually doing very much?
 
#17
i'm with 4 lancs and i can confirm we have been told only those with the intent to mobilise on either of the next 2 tours will be put forward for a place on CiC. this is because places are strictly limited and resources are being targetted on those wanting to deploy as soon as they can.

i believe there is a CiC in November and February but you should,if all returns to some sort of normality, be able to get on one of the courses after April.

Whats the rush. if your in no hurry to deploy you have plenty of time to qualify
 
#18
fusilier50 said:
Whats the rush. if your in no hurry to deploy you have plenty of time to qualify
Finishing Phase 1 gives you a time window to do CIC, if you don't get up to Catterick within that time its back to Day 1 Week 1 as far as i'm aware. So in an attempt to save resources, what may actually happen is that they end up paying recruits to do all their Phase 1 weekends twice, and probably end up losing guys who don't want to spend their time learning how to light Hexy again.
 
#19
I know it's because of the "current economic climate" but doesn't this really **** up the point of the TA? Is this really soldiering on the cheap... mobilise them, get them done, then **** em off? It kinda puts a stop to me rejoining.
 
#20
@ looktowindward...

Sitting in Bastion is most probably what you will end up doing. Not many Signallers in the FOBs and PB's i've been to or am in now....

I agree those attached in a close support role i.e RMP, CMT's should have more closely aligned training with Infantry though..
 
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